Thread: Rocky Marciano sucks for not fighting 3 more times

Rocky Marciano cannot be an alltime great unless he had fought and beaten Floyd Patterson, Nino Valdez, and Sonny Liston. If he had fought 3 more times, won all 3, and then retired he would have been 52-0, and then we can consider him an alltime great.
32 is no age to retire, he fought Archie Moore 23 days after his 32nd birthday. He should have taken the winter off, started training in January 1956 and fought Floyd Patterson in March 1956, Nino Valdes quickly afterwards, let's say in July 1956 and then trained for a mega-bout a Gran Finale of his career, with Eddie Machen, Brian London, Sonny Liston or even Zora Folley in October or November 1956.

This was painful.

i almost feel like i lived in america at this time, i look back with such fond memories as though i lived through it

here's a gem @erics44 from that time period: 5 mnute video, quick fight!! some cultural stuff too, really shows the time period in America then.....priceless footage and adverts.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

here's a gem @erics44 from that time period: 5 mnute video, quick fight!! some cultural stuff too, really shows the time period in America then.....priceless footage and adverts.

im at work so i cant watch it now, i'll watch it when i get home later

I might get some beers in for it too

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

here's a gem @erics44 from that time period: 5 mnute video, quick fight!! some cultural stuff too, really shows the time period in America then.....priceless footage and adverts.

im at work so i cant watch it now, i'll watch it when i get home later

I might get some beers in for it too

its too short to even finish 1 beer , so here's 2 additional ones for you mate you will enjoy BIG TIME!!! from that same classic period you talked about:

i dunno, i can knock them back quite quick

thanks for the vids, i shall enjoy

I believe he was looking to make Johansson his comeback fight. He could have taken Ingmar and Floyd Patterson even if he was a step or two slower.

Stop pretending that you do not rate Rocky as an ATG because we know you do. You are just trying to stop criticism that you are selectively picking on certain fighters like Joe Calzaghe, when your own hero was lucky to retire undefeated. I see it, we all see it so lets stop this nonsense, you know he was not able to beat Patterson because he was too old, management issues and back problems.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Rocky Marciano cannot be an alltime great unless he had fought and beaten Floyd Patterson, Nino Valdez, and Sonny Liston. If he had fought 3 more times, won all 3, and then retired he would have been 52-0, and then we can consider him an alltime great.
32 is no age to retire, he fought Archie Moore 23 days after his 32nd birthday. He should have taken the winter off, started training in January 1956 and fought Floyd Patterson in March 1956, Nino Valdes quickly afterwards, let's say in July 1956 and then trained for a mega-bout a Gran Finale of his career, with Eddie Machen, Brian London, Sonny Liston or even Zora Folley in October or November 1956.

This was painful.

There are 6 words too many in your thread title Brock.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Rocky Marciano cannot be an alltime great unless he had fought and beaten Floyd Patterson, Nino Valdez, and Sonny Liston. If he had fought 3 more times, won all 3, and then retired he would have been 52-0, and then we can consider him an alltime great.
32 is no age to retire, he fought Archie Moore 23 days after his 32nd birthday. He should have taken the winter off, started training in January 1956 and fought Floyd Patterson in March 1956, Nino Valdes quickly afterwards, let's say in July 1956 and then trained for a mega-bout a Gran Finale of his career, with Eddie Machen, Brian London, Sonny Liston or even Zora Folley in October or November 1956.

This was painful.

There are 6 words too many in your thread title Brock.

Good point mate. The title should read "3 More Times" striking out the 6 words "Rocky Marciano sucks for not fighting".

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I believe he was looking to make Johansson his comeback fight. He could have taken Ingmar and Floyd Patterson even if he was a step or two slower.

I quite agree. Even a glancing shot from "old" 32 year Rocky would KO Patterson into oblivion.

As for Johanssen, that would ve been a great fight, I think Rocky would crumple him with a body shot in about the 5th.

32 year old champ Rocky Marciano announced retirement in 1956.

Sonny Liston turned pro in '53,
was 14 wins and 1 loss(avenged) by '56,
jail and boxing ban mid-'56 to '57,
back to boxing in 1958.

What could have been?

I don't think the Rock would have been prime anymore in 1958 at 34 years old.
In 1956 the Rock had substantial lower back pain which was a major cause for his retirement (in addition to not having any real challengers anymore and no big money fight on the horizon.)

Some points to consider:
The Rock absolutely had the power in his right hand to put out even Sonny Liston if he hit him right on the chin. The Rock could take a helluva shot. The Rock did not get frustrated and kept working at cutting down his more skilled opponents late in the fight. Competitive heart and mentally TOUGH!
Marciano would NOT have been scared of Liston, and intimidation/fear were a big part of Liston's arsenal. There is the Rock's bad back by 1956 though, this for a crouching fighter.

It would've been a great fight.



No way in hell that a young 21 year old Patterson with no chin could have ever beaten a guy like Marciano. Patterson's much better than he's given credit for nowadays, and he's got an impressive highlight reel worth watching for any boxing fan, but there's no way he would have ever beaten Marciano.


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So, the only possible answer to this thread is "Oh baloney!", an often used phrase from the 50s. Marciano was not only a great fighter, he was a genius for retiring when he did.

Brock you can't be feeling well,!!!!!! besmirching Rocky is it something you have
eaten or drunk, any how I do hope you get better soon Bud.

Rocky like Joe Calzaghe retired at the right time. He was too old for Floyd and Johannson. Also forget about Liston who would have brutalised him.