Thread: Overhand right against the shell

Is it a good strategy for a shorter fighter to throw the overhand right against a fighter who uses the crab? It's hard to score with a body shot since body is protected by the left arm?

When you throw that punch, a guy that knows how to fight out of that defense is going to lean back more. By that I mean, drop his weight onto his right leg and turn his body way back over that leg. That gets him back and low and your punch misses. And he is in a good spot to counter back with a right hand. That is how that defense works, the more the right hand loops, the more you turn back over the right leg.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

When you throw that punch, a guy that knows how to fight out of that defense is going to lean back more. By that I mean, drop his weight onto his right leg and turn his body way back over that leg. That gets him back and low and your punch misses. And he is in a good spot to counter back with a right hand. That is how that defense works, the more the right hand loops, the more you turn back over the right leg.

Right! So when he is on the back leg is it better to RH too the body or set up the RH to the head? If noticed that guys who fight of the right leg are vulnerable to being off balance once the jab gets by the gloves and secondly open to hooks.

I'm talking about him dropping his weight as a reaction to the right hand, and really dropping the weight, all of it.
In general, you aren't going to have much luck with the right hand to the body, especially from close range, because, with a closed stance like that, your right hand will be behind him. Not a lot of target area to land legal punches. You need to step around to your left to open up angles to punch with both hands...and that moves you into his range as well, and that is what he is trying to get you to do.
If the guy gets off balance because of a jab, he doesn't know how to fight. You let the jab come to you and catch it in your glove, parry it, slip it what ever, but you let it come to you. If I am fighting in that style, my weight back, left shoulder and hip way out front, almost sideways, left hand low...there is no reason for me to be vulnerable to left hooks. I can see your right hand coming for a mile and all I have to do is drop my right heel and turn my body a hair and I'm behind my shoulder. You hook, and my right glove is right there to catch it.
The question your asking, how to open this style up, isn't a "what punch do I throw" type of thing. Because, if executed properly, it is almost the perfect defense. What you are looking for is a thought process- How do I make him do something he doesn't want to do, make him make a mistake I can take advantage of? That is something you learn by working on it with different opponents, by knowing what you are good at, and so on.

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I'm talking about him dropping his weight as a reaction to the right hand, and really dropping the weight, all of it.
In general, you aren't going to have much luck with the right hand to the body, especially from close range, because, with a closed stance like that, your right hand will be behind him. Not a lot of target area to land legal punches. You need to step around to your left to open up angles to punch with both hands...and that moves you into his range as well, and that is what he is trying to get you to do.
If the guy gets off balance because of a jab, he doesn't know how to fight. You let the jab come to you and catch it in your glove, parry it, slip it what ever, but you let it come to you. If I am fighting in that style, my weight back, left shoulder and hip way out front, almost sideways, left hand low...there is no reason for me to be vulnerable to left hooks. I can see your right hand coming for a mile and all I have to do is drop my right heel and turn my body a hair and I'm behind my shoulder. You hook, and my right glove is right there to catch it.
The question your asking, how to open this style up, isn't a "what punch do I throw" type of thing. Because, if executed properly, it is almost the perfect defense. What you are looking for is a thought process- How do I make him do something he doesn't want to do, make him make a mistake I can take advantage of? That is something you learn by working on it with different opponents, by knowing what you are good at, and so on.

Coach Rick an internet trainer believes that by slipping left one can land the uppercut to the body, lamon brewster threw a left hook to the body. Appears that the only way to beat the back leg defense is to study how Glenn Johnson beat RJR and he did it by blocking the the first 1,2 combos moving 2 steps forward. Fast jab + hands up + moving forward = winning.

But Roy Jones never fought out of this style, if we are talking about the same thing. And slip left off what lead?

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

But Roy Jones never fought out of this style, if we are talking about the same thing.

And slip left off what lead

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Slip off to the left of the opponents RH and land the left upper cut.
I was watching in this corner with James Smith interview with Glenn Johnson, when Smitty asked him on how beat RJR he said that he'd block the first two punches and step forward. Does anybody have that interview online.

I really like jabbing the chest or inside of the shoulder when someone uses this guard. The trick is they make you wanna throw the right hand, but it's built to counter that. I don't throw it until I have it set up, especially not the overhand because then their right uppercut is coming back my way. I prefer to work my left hand, jabbing to the body as well then stepping to my right and throwing left hooks. If I can get them uncomfortable with this, I can start working to line up my right hand.