Thread: Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather?

I think Bernard Hopkins had a greater career than Floyd Mayweather.

He fought the best, while Floyd avoided many of the better boxers in and around his division.

Floyd avoided Williams, Margarito, prime Mosley, Morales, prime De La Hoya, Casamayor, Tszyu, Forrest and of course Pacquiao.

I remember Hopkins once offered to fight a heavyweight Oleg Maskaev when Oleg had the WBC title.

Legacy wise Hopkins and its not really that close. If you measure the success of a fighter based on their bank account, ppv numbers or trinket collection then Floyd.

Greater fighter? Floyd
Greater career? Floyd

Was this a joke thread?

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Was this a joke thread?

Sometimes I have to wonder if these guys really believe the shit they say. It's mind boggling.

Mayweather isn't fit to carry Hopkins jockstrap

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Was this a joke thread?

Sometimes I have to wonder if these guys really believe the shit they say. It's mind boggling.

To even debate this would be mind boggling its so ridiculous. One man has been concerned with legacy his entire career. The other money.

In what ways is Bernard Better than Floyd?

Originally Posted by Freedom

I think Bernard Hopkins had a greater career than Floyd Mayweather.

He fought the best, while Floyd avoided many of the better boxers in and around his division.

Floyd avoided Williams, Margarito, prime Mosley, Morales, prime De La Hoya, Casamayor, Tszyu, Forrest and of course Pacquiao.

I remember Hopkins once offered to fight a heavyweight Oleg Maskaev when Oleg had the WBC title.

We have to base that on several variables. To me, we have to base that on:
1. Technical Skills
2.Competition Faced
3. KO and Knock Down ration
4. Odds of either fighter losing and then winning against the odds
and...
5. Who made more noise by calling out the top guys.

We should start the discussion from there, or add any other variables to the mix.

if Floyd is still beating up grown men who can be his kids on a championship level in 10 years then he can make a case for how good he is, until then

Hopkins - Former Undisputed Middleweight champion with 20 defenses (not 22 cause he was robbed in both fights against Taylor), 3 time Light Heavyweight champ (two time lineal), oldest champion in any weight class, oldest world champion to successfully defend title, and oldest champion to unify world titles, wins over the likes of John David Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Robert Allen, Antwun Echols, Felix Trinidad, Joppy, De La Hoya, Eastman, Taylor (he was robbed in both fights), Tarver, Winky Wright, Calzaghe (again, I felt he won it), Pavlik, Pascal (should have a W on both fights), Cloud, and Shumenov

c'mon now people

If you're one of the many who go on about Floyd ducking and dodging everyone, and waiting until very one was old to fight them, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and you're not worth talking to about it.

I would love to hear who exactly people think Hopkins beat that puts him so highly above Floyd. I remember a time when Hopkins was picked apart for his opponents because the consensus was that his best wins (Trinidad, De La Hoya) were against smaller opponents who had no business fighting at middleweight.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

if Floyd is still beating up grown men who can be his kids on a championship level in 10 years then he can make a case for how good he is, until then

Ok well I guess by that criteria, Bernard Hopkins is the greatest fighter of all time, because there's no other fighter in history who has been so good at that age.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

if Floyd is still beating up grown men who can be his kids on a championship level in 10 years then he can make a case for how good he is, until then

Ok well I guess by that criteria, Bernard Hopkins is the greatest fighter of all time, because there's no other fighter in history who has been so good at that age.

it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

it's not true cause Foreman and Holyfield both beat up relevant guys much younger than him, but that's not the only thing, and not the only credential that B-Hop has that outshines Mayweathers

Thats right, he also has a more impressive rap sheet than Floyd.

Bernard Hopkins was a dirty cheating piece of shit who deliberately rabbit punched, low blowed, arm twisted, hip punched, head butted, elbow punched, faked injury and wrassled throughout his fights. Tactics which should have led to many points being deducted and several DQ's over the course of his career..
Was he crafty? Yes.
Did he win a lot of fights in a row? Yes.
Does this make him better than a naturally gifted athlete and boxing genius like Floyd Mayweather? Not a chance.

Floyd has gone 18 years without a loss. A 5 division world champion with 10 world titles and the lineal champion in 4 weight classes. His amateur record of 84-6 is superb. The highest paid athlete in the world in 2014, 2013, 2012 is remarkable. After having bought out his own contract, he has promoted himself for half his career and has earned over $400million in the fight game.

Has Hopkins accomplished a lot? Yes.
More than anyone expected? Certainly!
Is he the oldest guy to be good at ANYTHING? Absolutely!!
Does this make him a better fighter? NO!!

Originally Posted by Freedom

I think Bernard Hopkins had a greater career than Floyd Mayweather.

He fought the best, while Floyd avoided many of the better boxers in and around his division.

Floyd avoided Williams, Margarito, prime Mosley, Morales, prime De La Hoya, Casamayor, Tszyu, Forrest and of course Pacquiao.

I remember Hopkins once offered to fight a heavyweight Oleg Maskaev when Oleg had the WBC title.

Floyd Mayweather is a America’s worst nightmare : A young, RICH, black man who is confident as hell to the point of cockiness. Although his antics are annoying as hell, the reason people hate Floyd is because he is a black man who’s UNBROKEN.

People hate, and I do mean HATE, to see a black man who is confident. The amount of hate that this man is generating from non-blacks is utterly insane.

You have got strategists all over the damn internet trying to come up with blueprints on how to defeat Mayweather.

Like I have said before, a million times, is that boxing, as well as other combat sports, are all SYMBOLIC.

Many non-black men, whether they admit it, or not, are intimidated by black men, and many of them feel empowered when they see a non-black man kick a black man’s ass in anything; especially fighting.

I’ve noticed ever since the advent of MMA, white and other non-black men have become more confident than ever when it comes to challenging black men.

They finally feel as if they have an answer to the hand-to-hand combat problem when it comes to black men. I will tell you one thing, many brothers reading this better recognize; because other races of men aren’t taking these damn courses for their health.

The thought of besting a black man in hand-to-hand combat is their chief motivation; and many cats don’t have a clue as to what’s going on.

All of a sudden, you’ll begin to notice non-black men who are LOOKING to pick fights with you out of nowhere; literally trying to PROVOKE you into a fight. They will feel bold enough to do this because they know something that YOU DON’T.

And if black men think that they are going to get by off of a damn intimidation “Scary black guy” factor, they got another thing coming.

Many of the younger black men swim like women when they fight. No technique at all, just wild as hell and running your mouth won’t work these days brothers. You are going to be forced to SHOW and PROVE

Just watch James Toney get his ass kicked by Randy Couture, yeah sure Toney was out of shape and past his best, but so was Couture.

Even though I am a boxer, I definitely plan on adding grappling techniques to my repertoire;

The bottom line is this: many non-black men measure their manhood in comparison to black men. That’s the main reason why they are damn near drooling at the thought of Floyd Mayweather’s defeat. They are looking for any confirmation that they can get that they are, somehow, manlier than what they perceive black men to be.