Thread: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?

Apart from winning the WBC HW title at a young age what ever did Tyson do?

In every hard fight he had he lost.

If someone stood up to him he crumbeled.

He was a classic school yard bully.loved to beat on smaller
blokes.

He never came back from defeat.

Quit when the going got tough.


TYSON IS THE MOST OVERRATED BOXER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

What has he done?

More then Calzaghe

Saying apart from being the youngest heavyweight champion in the world is just foolish...

Thats like saying aprt from breaking the 4 minute mile what did Roger Bannister do for athletics? Or apart from being the first man on the moon what did Neil Armstrong contribute to space exploration?

He was the youngest heavyweight champion (the ultimate sporting accolade) in the history of the world! Thats a f***ing great achievement and bestows greatness upon him.

Seriously his record will probably never be beaten.

Did you watch him during his prime... the only thing that held him back from taking away Ali's crown was his mind. He more phyiscal gifts than any other fighter barring RJJ. Tyson had a good style not the best for him IMO, but he used it more efficiently than any other fighter ever has... Had he not broken down mentally so much he might still be champion defending his zillionth title because he definitely still has the physical assets.

maybe so, whether he was the most overrated fighter of all time is debatable, but for sure he was overrated compared to his actual accomplishments which weren't extraordinarily impressive

He became the first undisputed heavyweight champion since Muhammad Ali....
Then he went to Jail for 4 years and still became the heavyweight champion after such a long layoff.

Originally Posted by •°¤*(¯`°~Starr~°´¯)* ¤Ã‚°â€¢

What has he done?

More then Calzaghe

He has done a lot more than Calzaghe but I have never said that Calzaghe was 1 of the greatest fighters of all time.

HAVE I?

Stick to the question.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Did you watch him during his prime... the only thing that held him back from taking away Ali's crown was his mind. He more phyiscal gifts than any other fighter barring RJJ. Tyson had a good style not the best for him IMO, but he used it more efficiently than any other fighter ever has... Had he not broken down mentally so much he might still be champion defending his zillionth title because he definitely still has the physical assets.

the mental aspect is of primary importance to boxing, just look at Bernard Hopkins who didn't have the physical gifts of an elite fighter but because he always stayed in shape, and always had a single minded devotion to the game became a great. Tyson's career is based on unfulfilled potential

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Originally Posted by Taeth

Did you watch him during his prime... the only thing that held him back from taking away Ali's crown was his mind. He more phyiscal gifts than any other fighter barring RJJ. Tyson had a good style not the best for him IMO, but he used it more efficiently than any other fighter ever has... Had he not broken down mentally so much he might still be champion defending his zillionth title because he definitely still has the physical assets.

the mental aspect is of primary importance to boxing, just look at Bernard Hopkins who didn't have the physical gifts of an elite fighter but because he always stayed in shape, and always had a single minded devotion to the game became a great. Tyson's career is based on unfulfilled potential

Spopt on mate!
Have a CC.

Tyson had the potental but lacked the balls!

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Originally Posted by Taeth

Did you watch him during his prime... the only thing that held him back from taking away Ali's crown was his mind. He more phyiscal gifts than any other fighter barring RJJ. Tyson had a good style not the best for him IMO, but he used it more efficiently than any other fighter ever has... Had he not broken down mentally so much he might still be champion defending his zillionth title because he definitely still has the physical assets.

the mental aspect is of primary importance to boxing, just look at Bernard Hopkins who didn't have the physical gifts of an elite fighter but because he always stayed in shape, and always had a single minded devotion to the game became a great. Tyson's career is based on unfulfilled potential

I agree the mental aspect is important, and thats why Tyson isn't an all time great, he just had the most potential we've ever seen, and we got a glimpse of it during the begining of his career and that was enough to know he would have been better than Ali. Bernard Hopkins didn't have great physical gifts, but he had good ones. He had power before it eroded, and he had a good chin with good speed and he was a very large and strong middleweight. If he had gone even to SMW especially in the 90's he wouldn't even be mentioned nowadays.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Originally Posted by Taeth

Did you watch him during his prime... the only thing that held him back from taking away Ali's crown was his mind. He more phyiscal gifts than any other fighter barring RJJ. Tyson had a good style not the best for him IMO, but he used it more efficiently than any other fighter ever has... Had he not broken down mentally so much he might still be champion defending his zillionth title because he definitely still has the physical assets.

the mental aspect is of primary importance to boxing, just look at Bernard Hopkins who didn't have the physical gifts of an elite fighter but because he always stayed in shape, and always had a single minded devotion to the game became a great. Tyson's career is based on unfulfilled potential

I agree the mental aspect is important, and thats why Tyson isn't an all time great, he just had the most potential we've ever seen, and we got a glimpse of it during the begining of his career and that was enough to know he would have been better than Ali. Bernard Hopkins didn't have great physical gifts, but he had good ones. He had power before it eroded, and he had a good chin with good speed and he was a very large and strong middleweight. If he had gone even to SMW especially in the 90's he wouldn't even be mentioned nowadays.

I agree that he had absolutely frightening potential...but we never saw him in those early days against the quality of fighters that Ali faced. Personally I think Ali would have broke down Tyson mentally and embarrassed him but I know people disagree with me on that. Ali had the physical tools, the toughness, and most importantly the mental strength. Bernard was talented, no doubt, but guys like Donald Curry had much more talent and couldn't keep it together, Bernard's mental toughness and discipline were his best attributes IMO

Originally Posted by porkypara

Apart from winning the WBC HW title at a young age what ever did Tyson do?

In every hard fight he had he lost.

If someone stood up to him he crumbeled.

He was a classic school yard bully.loved to beat on smaller
blokes.

He never came back from defeat.

Quit when the going got tough.


TYSON IS THE MOST OVERRATED BOXER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

About half of this is true and I'd say that the other half is false. First, Tyson did beat much bigger guys! He did fold against some good competitors. However, what did he do better than anyone else ever did? He knocked peoples' heads off and did it very fast!!!

No-one had the speed, the power, the great defence etc etc that he had. He beat most of the dangermen at the time and the only way anyone lasted with him was if he was testing his own stamina or if they did the Bonecrusher style of holding 90% hitting 10% Had he been able to stay focused and stay right mentally, he would still be crushing opponents,Mike at his peak was phenomenal. A specimen. I have not seen a HW ANYWHERE near him in terms of the above mentioned attributes. Guys like Lewis who made their names of beating Tyson would not have lasted 6 rounds with peak Tyson.
The decline began when he split from the Catskill connection, you can see how lazy he looked in the Douglas fight and coupled with Douglas being AMAZING on the night, you can see why he lost. I would not say Tyson laced testicular fortitude(it was more mental breakdown!) He showed plenty of heart in the first Holyfield fight and in the fights with Rodduck. I just wish he had remained stable and we would be discussing an all time great right now

Originally Posted by The Game

No-one had the speed, the power, the great defence etc etc that he had. He beat most of the dangermen at the time and the only way anyone lasted with him was if he was testing his own stamina or if they did the Bonecrusher style of holding 90% hitting 10% Had he been able to stay focused and stay right mentally, he would still be crushing opponents,Mike at his peak was phenomenal. A specimen. I have not seen a HW ANYWHERE near him in terms of the above mentioned attributes. Guys like Lewis who made their names of beating Tyson would not have lasted 6 rounds with peak Tyson.
  The decline began when he split from the Catskill connection, you can see how lazy he looked in the Douglas fight and coupled with Douglas being AMAZING on the night, you can see why he lost. I would not say Tyson laced testicular fortitude(it was more mental breakdown!) He showed plenty of heart in the first Holyfield fight and in the fights with Rodduck. I just wish he had remained stable and we would be discussing an all time great right nowÂ

Game, I like the way that you explained it. Even when Lewis beat Tyson, he did use the strategy of holding a lot and even got penalized two points before tiring Mike out for the late knockout. Yes, Tyson lost a lot mentally and it was evident even when he lost his last fight to McBride. He just emotionally didn't want to fight anymore. Does anyone think that it all might have had something to do with him being too spoiled too early in life?

Tyson did as much as he could during his prime....better than Calzaghe has done, I mean wait until you get to the end of your career to step up to someone....what a jip.