Thread: Floyd camp's PED propaganda!

I always thought it was unfair the way Floyd and his camp used the PED propaganda bullshit on Manny. It was utter and complete BS.

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

He reckons that because Manny moved up in weight so spectacularly and UPPED his power to boot that Manny had to be using PED's. They all take supplements, but no way do I think Manny over-did the PED's.

Has anyone seen footage of Manny when he was a bantam back in the Philippines? He was too strong at that weight in any event, and evidence showed that he had Welterweight power at Bantamweight. It wasn't fair for him to stay at that weight and pummel guys into submission.

Also, it wasn't as if Manny was the ONLY fighter to carry his power up in weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard took his power well into the LH's from lightweight.... Roy Jones took his power- a little bit of it- right into the LH's and peaked... Hearns took his power well into the Cruiserweight from light welterweight... Artuto Gatti started out at featherweight and took power to at least the light welters...

So, Floyd's camp was fulla caca!

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I always thought it was unfair the way Floyd and his camp used the PED propaganda bullshit on Manny. It was utter and complete BS.

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

He reckons that because Manny moved up in weight so spectacularly and UPPED his power to boot that Manny had to be using PED's. They all take supplements, but no way do I think Manny over-did the PED's.

Has anyone seen footage of Manny when he was a bantam back in the Philippines? He was too strong at that weight in any event, and evidence showed that he had Welterweight power at Bantamweight. It wasn't fair for him to stay at that weight and pummel guys into submission.

Also, it wasn't as if Manny was the ONLY fighter to carry his power up in weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard took his power well into the LH's from lightweight.... Roy Jones took his power- a little bit of it- right into the LH's and peaked... Hearns took his power well into the Cruiserweight from light welterweight... Artuto Gatti started out at featherweight and took power to at least the light welters...

So, Floyd's camp was fulla caca!

Not sure where you are getting these weight classes. SRL and Tommy Hearns both won their first titles at WW. Not lightweight and Jr. WW as you suggest.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I always thought it was unfair the way Floyd and his camp used the PED propaganda bullshit on Manny. It was utter and complete BS.

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

He reckons that because Manny moved up in weight so spectacularly and UPPED his power to boot that Manny had to be using PED's. They all take supplements, but no way do I think Manny over-did the PED's.

Has anyone seen footage of Manny when he was a bantam back in the Philippines? He was too strong at that weight in any event, and evidence showed that he had Welterweight power at Bantamweight. It wasn't fair for him to stay at that weight and pummel guys into submission.

Also, it wasn't as if Manny was the ONLY fighter to carry his power up in weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard took his power well into the LH's from lightweight.... Roy Jones took his power- a little bit of it- right into the LH's and peaked... Hearns took his power well into the Cruiserweight from light welterweight... Artuto Gatti started out at featherweight and took power to at least the light welters...

So, Floyd's camp was fulla caca!

Not sure where you are getting these weight classes. SRL and Tommy Hearns both won their first titles at WW. Not lightweight and Jr. WW as you suggest.

Not winning titles, but the weight they started at...

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

Pac did sue Floyd.

Really Floyd was ahead of his time, because the commissions have now moved towards random urine AND blood testing, because they've realized that the standard scheduled piss test is almost complete ineffective in catching drug cheats. Mike Tyson talked about how he cheated the drug tests and how easy it was in his book.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

Pac did sue Floyd.

Really Floyd was ahead of his time, because the commissions have now moved towards random urine AND blood testing, because they've realized that the standard scheduled piss test is almost complete ineffective in catching drug cheats. Mike Tyson talked about how he cheated the drug tests and how easy it was in his book.

That's just bs floyd has no more intelligence than the below average person. What floyd has in the ring is natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat even as a baby. What is said to be his boxing intelligence is really just his natural reflexes. Most fighters learn boxing skill through conditioned reflex. Which is working a technique until you don't have to thing about what you are doing. If floyd scored over 110 on a iq test. He was just trying a mind fuck, and now he's being credited for being ahead of his time. Ask him if he'd do it again and he'll lie to you face and say yea for the good of boxing. To his self he'd hell no that shit cost me too much f'n money.

Originally Posted by fan johnny

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

Pac did sue Floyd.

Really Floyd was ahead of his time, because the commissions have now moved towards random urine AND blood testing, because they've realized that the standard scheduled piss test is almost complete ineffective in catching drug cheats. Mike Tyson talked about how he cheated the drug tests and how easy it was in his book.

That's just bs floyd has no more intelligence than the below average person. What floyd has in the ring is natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat even as a baby. What is said to be his boxing intelligence is really just his natural reflexes. Most fighters learn boxing skill through conditioned reflex. Which is working a technique until you don't have to thing about what you are doing. If floyd scored over 110 on a iq test. He was just trying a mind fuck, and now he's being credited for being ahead of his time. Ask him if he'd do it again and he'll lie to you face and say yea for the good of boxing. To his self he'd hell no that shit cost me too much f'n money.

Clearly an expert on intelligence right here. What the hell are you talking about, "natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat?" What do you consider "boxing intelligence" to mean anyways, how well one can do long division or debate, while they are slipping punches? Nobody is saying he's articulate, or missed his calling as a concert violinist. I'd bet he's no dumber than you in a general sense however.

Pactards are none too bright.

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Pactards are none too bright.

we shine over anti-pactards

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Pactards are none too bright.

And Flo Mos are intelligent? C'mon man no sane intelligent person buys Floyd's BS

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by fan johnny

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

Pac did sue Floyd.

Really Floyd was ahead of his time, because the commissions have now moved towards random urine AND blood testing, because they've realized that the standard scheduled piss test is almost complete ineffective in catching drug cheats. Mike Tyson talked about how he cheated the drug tests and how easy it was in his book.

That's just bs floyd has no more intelligence than the below average person. What floyd has in the ring is natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat even as a baby. What is said to be his boxing intelligence is really just his natural reflexes. Most fighters learn boxing skill through conditioned reflex. Which is working a technique until you don't have to think about what you are doing. If floyd scored over 110 on a iq test. He was just trying a mind fuck, and now he's being credited for being ahead of his time. Ask him if he'd do it again and he'll lie to you face and say yea for the good of boxing. To his self he'd hell no that shit cost me too much f'n money.

Clearly an expert on intelligence right here. What the hell are you talking about, "natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat?" What do you consider "boxing intelligence" to mean anyways, how well one can do long division or debate, while they are slipping punches? Nobody is saying he's articulate, or missed his calling as a concert violinist. I'd bet he's no dumber than you in a general sense however.

What a load of rubbish. You miss the point. Floyd's control and athletic ability has nothing to do with his level of intelligence. Athletes that have control over thier game do not have to think. If they think, they hesitate rather than using instinctive actions and reactions.

Your post? Yes, yes it was. You do sound much less stupid sticking to one line though, no matter what the context. Try limiting yourself to that.

Originally Posted by fan johnny

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

Pac did sue Floyd.

Really Floyd was ahead of his time, because the commissions have now moved towards random urine AND blood testing, because they've realized that the standard scheduled piss test is almost complete ineffective in catching drug cheats. Mike Tyson talked about how he cheated the drug tests and how easy it was in his book.

That's just bs floyd has no more intelligence than the below average person. What floyd has in the ring is natural boxing skill developed from being a gym rat even as a baby. What is said to be his boxing intelligence is really just his natural reflexes. Most fighters learn boxing skill through conditioned reflex. Which is working a technique until you don't have to thing about what you are doing. If floyd scored over 110 on a iq test. He was just trying a mind fuck, and now he's being credited for being ahead of his time. Ask him if he'd do it again and he'll lie to you face and say yea for the good of boxing. To his self he'd hell no that shit cost me too much f'n money.

I never understood this argument about Floyd "adjusts" during fights. I don't see that. I see him run and at best uses the counter-right. That's his adjustments.

Funny to read this kinda threads and put usernames to fighters

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I always thought it was unfair the way Floyd and his camp used the PED propaganda bullshit on Manny. It was utter and complete BS.

I would have sued Floyd. Truly.

He reckons that because Manny moved up in weight so spectacularly and UPPED his power to boot that Manny had to be using PED's. They all take supplements, but no way do I think Manny over-did the PED's.

Has anyone seen footage of Manny when he was a bantam back in the Philippines? He was too strong at that weight in any event, and evidence showed that he had Welterweight power at Bantamweight. It wasn't fair for him to stay at that weight and pummel guys into submission.

Also, it wasn't as if Manny was the ONLY fighter to carry his power up in weight.

Sugar Ray Leonard took his power well into the LH's from lightweight.... Roy Jones took his power- a little bit of it- right into the LH's and peaked... Hearns took his power well into the Cruiserweight from light welterweight... Artuto Gatti started out at featherweight and took power to at least the light welters...

So, Floyd's camp was fulla caca!

Nice try with the inductive reasoning attempt but it won’t work my young friend. It won’t work because it’s filled with apples and oranges. Tommy Hearns did not carry his bone crusher power with him beyond 154. When he walked into the Kronk Gym he sported an amateur record of 166 fights with 155 with 11 ko's.

Manny taught him how to punch and sit down on his shots whereas the amateur system took advantage of his freak stature by pointing fights out because of the ridiculous scoring criteria.
His power peaked at 154 even though he could obviously still bang but he did grow out of his advantage in that regard.

Leonard had his power shut off at 154 so I'm a little perplexed with these comparisons. Roy Jones was a freak of nature and with him it was his speed and timing of his punches as much as it was about power. Gatti only fought in the 126 area in a few early fights and when he fought at 130 it was his size compared to the rest of the field the night of the fight. This helped him through 135 with those who would trade. By the time he got beat by Robinson back to back he was outgrowing 135. Even at 140 it was evident that he was a welter. Remember scale gate with poor Joey Gomache?


Pac is different then all of these guys. What he took with him as he moved up has not been seen in the history of the sport. His power increased exponentially and so did his speed, footwork and the whole enchilada. He didn't just beat the cream of the crop moving up, he destroyed them. Now maybe it was all legit after all he was never caught but they didn't test and let’s all not forget that Uinsane Bolt has never been caught and he's tested all the time. The speed of designer drugs is simply ahead of the curve and imo Manny found one that worked wonders. Like they are designed to do. Anybody who didn’t think questions would be asked and accusations leveled along the way had/has a bad case of ostrich syndrome.

And that leads to my final point. This whole PED thing is a red herring. Somebody provide me a list of those that would not test hot with relevant testing? Everybody thinks everybody is juicing so why is it even a topic? Furthermore, because of these antiquated testing requirements that in fact enable these cheaters to cheat is there even an opening for accusations? If anything this shit is systemic and if ever unmasked probably the norm.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

The speed of designer drugs is simply ahead of the curve

For sure, I think that's what it all boils down to. And I guess it makes sense if you think about it.

Who's on the PED side? High tech labs that cater to potential clients who make upwards of 5, 10, 20, even 50 million per year, who are willing to shell out big money for results, success, and a guarantee that they don't get caught.

Who's on the PED busting side? A government agency with a set budget, comprised of small-time politicians and ex-lawyers who are happy to have a cushy government job with a great pension and benefits.

Which group is going to be ahead of the curve? To the commissions' credit, they have started taking it a lot more seriously and are a lot more efficient now.