Thread: Peterson vs Garcia - Thoughts

There doesn't seem to be a Garcia Peterson thread, considering how tough it was to score early on and how close it turned out.

I think Peterson should have got the nod because he did what he wanted, he moved when he wanted and stood he ground when he wanted. Garcia didn't have much success at all, he hit air and gloves for most of the fight and the only rounds he won were because Peterson threw the round away. Peterson really took control of the fight in the second half and put a beating on Garcia and bullied him. Garcia looked average and all the top guys at WW would beat him; Thurman, Brook, Khan, Bradley, Maidana, Porter and no need to mention Mayweather or Pacquiao. Never liked Garcia and still don't. Just showed me why he never calls anyone out and is happy just having stay busy fights because he's shit and would get knocked out against the top dogs of WW.
Peterson was in great shape and was having fun in there, I think he needs to be drug tested again.

Mind you I wasn't sober last night so feel free to correct me.

Toughts?

Wish I could contribute, Manos de Piedra. But I was at the Martinez-Salido fight. Coincidentally, they had the Garcia-Peterson fight on a flat screen TV in the box I was in, just in case someone wanted to watch that one, I guess. I managed to catch a few scattered glimpses, but that was all. The live fight was too good and I was too busy yelling for Martinez to knock Salido out.

From what little I did see, however, Danny did look kind of lethargic. I guess I caught pieces of some of the later rounds. Personally, as someone else mentioned on another thread, I think Danny has regressed since the Lucas Matthysse fight. That was probably the high point of Danny's career thus far. The reason for the regression seems unclear... I'm not ready to concede that he's never been that good in the first place. But the fact of the matter is he's tarnished. He's gonna have to do some heavy introspection if he wants to continue scaling the heights toward "elite-dom". I would say it's just a case of "styles make fights", but the fact is Danny hasn't looked good in awhile now. It'll be interesting to see where he goes now.

I think if Peterson stopped pissing around and walked Garcia down earlier, he could have stopped him. Garcia looked tired and clueless towards the end. Garcia didn't win any real clear round whereas the rounds Peterson won were clear Peterson rounds. Gained some respect for Peterson, unless he gets caught on drugs again.Peterson didn't sit down between rounds either.

Another gift for Garcia thanks to Al Haymon. I scored it for Peterson even though I was trying to be nice to Garcia to cancel out my bias coz I don't like him.

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

That is all well and good, Ron. But in the end, if you're not going to end a fight by knockout, then you're fighting to win the fight on the judges scorecards. What you as a fighter think you're doing is irrelevant, let's face it. At the end of the night, outcries be damned, it's the judges who put either the "W" or the "L" on your record.

I think Ykda makes a very good point about too many fighters singing their own tune, by dancing away more than half the fight, not throwing too many punches... and saving their real efforts till the last couple of rounds, sometimes coming out like the house is on fire in the 12th round. News flash: If you've waited 11 rounds wasting away precious time and them come out like gangbusters trying to win the fight in the last round..... you damn well deserve to lose.

Not defending Garcia or trashing Peterson, as like I said before, I was watching another fight. But what Ykda says happens all too often. It's like the person crashing countless times into the same brick wall before finally getting smart and going around the wall.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

Peterson says the same thing here, around the 2.24 mark.

https://youtu.be/LCIhIjj9vR0?t=2m24s