Thread: AJ - Wilder: Let's be clinical

Forget about who is more likable and who sells more tickets.
Let's look at this strictly from a boxing perspective.

I think too much is made of Wilder's windmills. He doesn't throw them all the time. By the time he's throwing them, the other guy's practically on his way out anyway. So what difference does it make what the KO punch looks like? That he can't box? Total exaggeration. True, he doesn't have the classical style of an AJ. He's raw around the edges and a bit unorthodox in his deliveries. But he's not completely devoid of all boxing skills. One thing I do criticize is his penchant for throwing a pawing "jab", which is barely better than no jab at all. His trainer needs to fix that ASAP. With his height, reach, and build, Wilder should have a hell of a jab. Wilder's athleticism serves him well. He uses his feet to move him out of harm's way when needed, and he knows how to use the whole ring. In other words, he's rarely a stationary target. I think he could use more work on his left hand in general. A good hook would add to his arsenal. He's shown he can recover when buzzed... and talk about chin in the heavyweights is pretty useless anyway because at that size and power, you'd need armor to be KO-proof.

I still think AJ has the better win between the two. I rank Wilder's win over Ortiz higher than AJ's win over Parker, but below AJ's win over Wlad. Ortiz and Wlad were two pretty good wins, with Wlad's being better. Why? Ortiz and Wlad came to fight. So did Parker, but he was woefully inefficient, and AJ kept him at bay with very little consequence. AJ gets flack about being robotic, but I just see it as having the classical boxing style. His defense if better than Wilder's, IMO. Well... at least different. Wilder uses his long frame to lean away from trouble, but AJ's defense keeps him more in position to counter. One of AJ's more impressive weapons is his uppercut. He throws it beautifully, even from extremely close quarters. He barely missed Parker on several occasions. Had he connected we'd be talking about how impressive his knockout over Parker had been. Power and chin with AJ and Wilder cancel each other out. Again, if either connects flush, it's goodnight Irene. AJ having gotten back up to win against Wlad is a huge plus in his corner. It shows he can do it. Wilder has been buzzed.... AJ has been dropped.... both by huge punchers.

In the end, I favor AJ at this point, only because of AJ's better defense which would probably end up with Wilder getting tagged first.

Wilder smokes Joshua six ways to Sunday

becaaaaaaaaause.....................

AJ is the better boxer and has the pedigree behind him of boxing at a higher level being an Olympic champion. AJ can fight when he needs to and is slowly getting the experience to become a champion for a long time. He can carry on where Wlad left off.

AJ has been near flawless in becoming champion and the only time he has been hurt has been against respectable opponents in Whyte and Wlad. Wilder is bambi on ice and looked fragile. If AJ lands Wilder will be knocked out cold whereas I think AJ could come back if he is hurt, so I would say AJ has a slightly better chin.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

becaaaaaaaaause.....................

Because he is a bit chinny and gases mid fight. Wilder will lay it on him when the moment is right and I don't think Joshua can stand up to a full on windmill blast.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

becaaaaaaaaause.....................

Because he is a bit chinny and gases mid fight. Wilder will lay it on him when the moment is right and I don't think Joshua can stand up to a full on windmill blast.

As was demonstrated by his going 12 rounds in his last fight with plenty to spare and getting off the floor and TKOing a dominant champ in the one two fights before that

Originally Posted by Beanz

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

becaaaaaaaaause.....................

Because he is a bit chinny and gases mid fight. Wilder will lay it on him when the moment is right and I don't think Joshua can stand up to a full on windmill blast.

As was demonstrated by his going 12 rounds in his last fight with plenty to spare and getting off the floor and TKOing a dominant champ in the one two fights before that

Joshua gassed in the middle rounds again and that version of Wlad was herky jerky like an old Shane Mosley and still had Joshua gassing in the middle rounds. Wilder isn't going to gas. He is going to be biding his time and when he wants to up the pace he will and Joshua won't be able to keep up. Joshua will be pulling the tape off his gloves with his teeth, begging the ref to call a break. His only chance is to get that last referee back in there. Wilder will knock out the referee and still continue with the windmill. Wilder is an odd, odd fighter and he always finds a way.

When has Wilder gone 12 Rounds? He can quite clearly be out boxed and if he actually has the bottle to face anyone of note it will be obvious. Ortiz is not even worth half a Wlad, shot or not. I get that after 40 fights Wilder fans are quite eager to ignore reality, but it is getting pretty desperate when they have to parrot Wilder's promoter and accuse Joshua of cheating in a fight the big old loudmouth Wilder was terrified to attend.



Wilder is a terrible excuse for a heavyweight fighter, and a pretty despicable human being, as are all those who wish for the death of others in the ring, but he is going to run out of places to hide soon and then he will regret being such a fool. Tailor made for Joshua.

He won the title over the distance, I don't think there's an issue there for Wilder, but he basically had everything his own way in that fight, Stivern did nowt. Same goes for Joshua really, he won at a canter against Parker. When they've been extended in tough fights, both of them have had their mountains to climb, which they have done.

Joshua I still feel has something of an identity issue going on. As I've said before, the template is there, 6'5, good jab, you'd be a fool not to try and control your opponent with it from the outside and drop the right hand in on cue. I still feel despite his size and stature that Joshua is more effective up close ripping hooks and uppercuts in and I think he feels more comfortable too.

Wilder for all his faults I feel is at one with who he is and what he is. He isn't a great boxer, he knows it, we all know it, but he's a hard bastard with a cracking punch and he works with it.

Wilder's war is with his opponent only, that's why I slightly favour him.

Originally Posted by Memphis

He won the title over the distance, I don't think there's an issue there for Wilder, but he basically had everything his own way in that fight, Stivern did nowt. Same goes for Joshua really, he won at a canter against Parker. When they've been extended in tough fights, both of them have had their mountains to climb, which they have done.

Joshua I still feel has something of an identity issue going on. As I've said before, the template is there, 6'5, good jab, you'd be a fool not to try and control your opponent with it from the outside and drop the right hand in on cue. I still feel despite his size and stature that Joshua is more effective up close ripping hooks and uppercuts in and I think he feels more comfortable too.

Wilder for all his faults I feel is at one with who he is and what he is. He isn't a great boxer, he knows it, we all know it, but he's a hard bastard with a cracking punch and he works with it.

Wilder's war is with his opponent only, that's why I slightly favour him.

Why thank you for the clinical analysis.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Memphis

He won the title over the distance, I don't think there's an issue there for Wilder, but he basically had everything his own way in that fight, Stivern did nowt. Same goes for Joshua really, he won at a canter against Parker. When they've been extended in tough fights, both of them have had their mountains to climb, which they have done.

Joshua I still feel has something of an identity issue going on. As I've said before, the template is there, 6'5, good jab, you'd be a fool not to try and control your opponent with it from the outside and drop the right hand in on cue. I still feel despite his size and stature that Joshua is more effective up close ripping hooks and uppercuts in and I think he feels more comfortable too.

Wilder for all his faults I feel is at one with who he is and what he is. He isn't a great boxer, he knows it, we all know it, but he's a hard bastard with a cracking punch and he works with it.

Wilder's war is with his opponent only, that's why I slightly favour him.

Why thank you for the clinical analysis.

My own clinical analysis is that Wilder can't box and is arguably one of the most overblown piss useless heavyweights ever, I repeat, there are 4 or 5 European heavyweights who would stuff him, the money game is to get a couple of them in before Joshua, then Joshua beats them and unifies. We all know that Wilder is seriously crap and beatable, its just money juggling and games from anxious promoters now.

From their last outings, how anyone can conclude that Wilder has any chance other than a decapitation is beyond me (some people have described him as slick and a superior technician/mover, i'd love a go in their heads ).

Wilder got his head boxed off by a man controlling the pace and distance yet averaging just 2 jabs a round (that's a real stat). Wilder literally spent the entire fight with his right hand cocked waiting for a chance to fire, he couldn't implement his own jab, which has only ever been impressive once against a statue (Stiverne), and can't fight on the inside.

He was getting outboxed by Washington and struggled in patches, especially when backed up, with several opponents before the equalizer got him out of trouble.

However, his equalizer is so funking dangerous that it's impossible to write him off against anyone. There's nothing wrong with his fitness, he proved against Ortiz he has the bollocks when getting whooped, is clearly gifted physically (I think his "skinny" frame looks better than AJ's bulkier build) and mentally a crazy bastard (which works well for him).

Joshua, for all his knockers, has shown just about everything a lump of his stature can. He has good speed, explosive power and the goolies, shown he can fight inside or out, have a punchup or be "boring." He does a decent impression of both Lewis and Tyson in patches (no, i'm not calling him a new Lewis/Tyson, he imitates them to the best of his ability).

Joshua is improving all the the time (the "boring" stuff is clearly the way forward for longevity, even though it will turn the casuals against him), whereas Wilder has accepted he is what he is - a straight out killer.

Personally, as i've stated, Wilder has only one chance. Without the advantage of height and levers he's reduced to guessing when it's safe to swing. I believe Joshua will find it much easier to time his right hand than he did against the awkward (self-preservation minded) Parker, and forcing Wilder backwards it'll take one or two good clumps to have him in barney. I honestly believe Joshua will take him out inside 6 minutes.

Originally Posted by Fenster

From their last outings, how anyone can conclude that Wilder has any chance other than a decapitation is beyond me (some people have described him as slick and a superior technician/mover, i'd love a go in their heads ).

Wilder got his head boxed off by a man controlling the pace and distance yet averaging just 2 jabs a round (that's a real stat). Wilder literally spent the entire fight with his right hand cocked waiting for a chance to fire, he couldn't implement his own jab, which has only ever been impressive once against a statue (Stiverne), and can't fight on the inside.

He was getting outboxed by Washington and struggled in patches, especially when backed up, with several opponents before the equalizer got him out of trouble.

However, his equalizer is so funking dangerous that it's impossible to write him off against anyone. There's nothing wrong with his fitness, he proved against Ortiz he has the bollocks when getting whooped, is clearly gifted physically (I think his "skinny" frame looks better than AJ's bulkier build) and mentally a crazy bastard (which works well for him).

Joshua, for all his knockers, has shown just about everything a lump of his stature can. He has good speed, explosive power and the goolies, shown he can fight inside or out, have a punchup or be "boring." He does a decent impression of both Lewis and Tyson in patches (no, i'm not calling him a new Lewis/Tyson, he imitates them to the best of his ability).

Joshua is improving all the the time (the "boring" stuff is clearly the way forward for longevity, even though it will turn the casuals against him), whereas Wilder has accepted he is what he is - a straight out killer.

Personally, as i've stated, Wilder has only one chance. Without the advantage of height and levers he's reduced to guessing when it's safe to swing. I believe Joshua will find it much easier to time his right hand than he did against the awkward (self-preservation minded) Parker, and forcing Wilder backwards it'll take one or two good clumps to have him in barney. I honestly believe Joshua will take him out inside 6 minutes.

Agree with all of that except I don't think it will happen that quickly.