Thread: marciano doesnt belongin the same breath as ali

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

WELL I WOULDNT GO THAT FAR BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONE DOESNT COMPARE TO THE OTHER. ALI WOULD GIVE MARCIANO THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE. ALI FOUGHT WITH SKILL AND SPEED HENCE "THE GREATEST" MARCIANO FOUGHT ON PURE GRIT, POWER AND HEART. NO LEGIT SKILL OR SPEED. BUT YOU CANT LOOK DOWN ON HIM FOR THE PEOPLE HE FOUGHT. THERE WAS NOONE ELSE AROUND. THE HWD WAS AS DEVOID OF TALENTED FIGHTERS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW... AND REMEMBER. THAT LOSLESS RECORD LOOKS GREAT ON A RESUME.

Originally Posted by 71HOOKS

WELL I WOULDNT GO THAT FAR BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONE DOESNT COMPARE TO THE OTHER. ALI WOULD GIVE MARCIANO THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE. ALI FOUGHT WITH SKILL AND SPEED HENCE "THE GREATEST" MARCIANO FOUGHT ON PURE GRIT, POWER AND HEART. NO LEGIT SKILL OR SPEED. BUT YOU CANT LOOK DOWN ON HIM FOR THE PEOPLE HE FOUGHT. THERE WAS NOONE ELSE AROUND. THE HWD WAS AS DEVOID OF TALENTED FIGHTERS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW... AND REMEMBER. THAT LOSLESS RECORD LOOKS GREAT ON A RESUME.

thats fine but lets not make him out to be more than what he was----a pug who was lucky ebnough to be around when the division really stunk

THATS VALID. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

Originally Posted by LawHoops

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

well ernie terrel, chuvalo, cooper, jimmy young, ellis, folley, joe bugner and chuck wepner weren't exactly world beaters either.....

CHUCK WEPNER...HA... GUY HAD HEART, THOUGH. ALI TURNED "THE BEYONE BLEEDER'S" FACE TO HAMBURGER. REMEMBER WHEN HE KNOCKED ALI DOWN AND HE TURNED AROUND LIKE HE WON THE FIGHT. IT WAS LAUGHABLE. THEN HE PROCEEDED TO EAT PUNCH AFTER PUNCH... ALI WAS NOT HAPPY. FUNNY THOUGH.

Yeah, your right.. But I dont think many people would disagree with you. Ali was just miles ahead of Rocky in every aspect, including who he fought.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Yeah, your right.. But I dont think many people would disagree with you. Ali was just miles ahead of Rocky in every aspect, including who he fought.

i still think people tend to overate Ali's opposition in the 60's though....It was only through the seventies where Ali showed his true self in the ring.

THERE SHOULDNT EVEN BE A ?.. I MEAN, I LOVE MARCIANO... HE WAS JUST A GRITTY PUNCHER WHO COULD TAKE PUNISHMENT. ALI PRETTYMUCH REINVENTED THE SPORT AT THE TIME. A HEAVYWEIGHT WITH THAT KIND OF RING PRESENCE AND SPEED. NOT JUST A HOUSE THAT STANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING AND DROPS BOMBS. SHOULDNT BE A ?

i ain't disputing anything, Ali imo was the better fighter

AND HE WAS

Originally Posted by 71HOOKS

WELL I WOULDNT GO THAT FAR BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONE DOESNT COMPARE TO THE OTHER. ALI WOULD GIVE MARCIANO THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE. ALI FOUGHT WITH SKILL AND SPEED HENCE "THE GREATEST" MARCIANO FOUGHT ON PURE GRIT, POWER AND HEART. NO LEGIT SKILL OR SPEED. BUT YOU CANT LOOK DOWN ON HIM FOR THE PEOPLE HE FOUGHT. THERE WAS NOONE ELSE AROUND. THE HWD WAS AS DEVOID OF TALENTED FIGHTERS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW... AND REMEMBER. THAT LOSLESS RECORD LOOKS GREAT ON A RESUME.

Just because he says he's the greatest doesn't make it so...that why it's called "self proclaimed"....oh yeah he would kick marciano's ass though....

Originally Posted by The_One77

Originally Posted by LawHoops

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

well ernie terrel, chuvalo, cooper, jimmy young, ellis, folley, joe bugner and chuck wepner weren't exactly world beaters either.....

They would have been in Marciano's time.

also didn't Jimmy Young beat Foreman, and should have won the fight with Ali?

Originally Posted by LawHoops

all he did after missing 3years of his physical prime was come back and beat joe frazier and ken norton two out of three (the loss to norton he fought the majority of the fight with a busted grille), knocked george foreman out when george was in his prime and seemingly indestructible (that was after ali had already lost to frazier and norton and was thought to be thru)

he also had wins over quality guys like floyd patterson (twice), jerry quarry (twice), cleveland williams, ernie terrell, oscar bonavena, george chuvalo, ron lyle, henry cooper (twice overall--once pre liston, once post liston), jimmy ellis, zora folley, buster mathis, joe bugner (twice), chuck wepner, and jimmy young (who ended foremans first career with a legit win over him remember).

oh yeah and rocky marciano beat --in his absolute prime mind you ---thouroghly washed up versions of joe louis, ezzard charles, and joe walcott---oh and dont forget thoise world beaters donny cockell and roland lastarza---two househole names

marciano wasnt good enough to be ali's towel boy............

You must note though thatAli got alot of altered judging in his fights... some fights there is no way he won(Ken Norton) and he won on name alone... Also against Henry Cooper he was knocked out, and they had to rip his glove so he would have more time to recuperate. Foreman states that he was drugged during their fight which no1 really knows but with all the other conspiracies behind Ali its plausible.