The only time they are worth mentioning is in discussion about corruption, daftness, boxing bollocks, cheating, money
Yes. Yes it does.
Again, you're obviously very boxing knowledgeable. Which is why it's surprising to me to see you mention Canelo's fiasco against Floyd.
You see.... there have been two types of fights featuring Floyd Mayweather Jr.
One is the bonafide fight, where the opponent has worked his way up to the status of meriting a fight against Floyd.
Then you've got your "gifted opportunities", where the fight has been publicly and forcefully demanded, opponent merit be damned.
These are the "circus" fights, where the ending is a foregone conclusion, but the fight goes ahead anyway, on the pretense that it's somehow a legitimate fight.
Floyd-Canelo was of the latter variety. I was one of many who would've bet a fortune on the outcome of the fight and been right.
The only blemish on the result was the work of one C.J. Ross, either paid handsomely or legally blind, and still inexplicably judging fights.
So if you want to use Floyd as one of Canelo's measuring sticks for your "he fought the best" claim, go ahead. You're pretty forceful on your opinions, so it's likely to go unchallenged by most.
But I'll just expose it for the flawed argument it is.
Should we use the same logic for Khan's ill-fated attempt to fight Canelo, two weight divisions north? Does Khan get kudos for THAT monumental travesty?
Hell.... even then, I'd say Khan had a better chance at avoiding Canelo for 12 rounds while outboxing the shit out of him..... than Canelo had of coming within 5 feet of touching Mayweather.
Hatton fought Mayweather too, and was predictably embarrassed. That was back when he was on his post-Tzsyu high and claiming he was the world's p4p. He tried the same with Manny and BOOM.
Two doses of reality.
Same holds for Canelo. His blind fans demanded Floyd give him a shot and Floyd happily obliged. What happened in the ring was an embarrassment.... a shutout.
But I don't blame you for wanting to use that as a measuring stick. I'm only happy you "don't rate Canelo." It'd be scary to see what you'd write if you did.
It appears the fight is on and at 175. November 2nd it is. My only issue is that Kovalev just fought and had a heck of a tough couple of rounds. Surely it could not have hurt to make it December 2nd out of common decency. There is always some catch or other. However, maybe Kov is old school, it will keep him off the booze, and he will lay off heavy sparring for a few weeks and go in there and show what a knockout jab is.
Canelo Alvarez vs Sergey Kovalev officially announced for November 2 in Las Vegas
Canelo Alvarez will challenge Sergey Kovalev for his WBO light-heavyweight title on November 2 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
The Mexican superstar has already won belts at super-welterweight, middleweight and super-middleweight, and is now set to jump up once again for a whole new challenge.
Despite having fought his last bout for the middleweight titles at 160lbs, Canelo will move up two divisions to take on the Russian at 175lbs.
It is new territory for the 29-year-old who is widely regarded as the biggest name in boxing today.
Kovalev’s last outing came on August 24 as he defended his belt by knocking out Britain’s Anthony Yarde in Russia.
Ten weeks after this taxing eleven-rounder, the 36-year-old is jumping straight back in against a fresh opponent with some doubting this is wise at the current stage of his career.
A few years ago, the Russian was unified champion and rated as one of the pound-for-pound best in boxing, but two losses to Andre Ward put paid to this status.
He’s since regained the WBO crown and adapted beautifully to win it back once again in February after being knocked out by Eleider Alvarez last year.
Canelo meanwhile escaped two fights against Gennady Golovkin without suffering any official defeat.
Despite most believing GGG beat him first time around, and a drugs controversy lingering in between, their rematch was far closer and the three judges gave Alvarez a slim decision victory which earned him the middleweight titles.
If and only IF Canelo beats Kovalev then perhaps Andre Ward makes a comeback and fights Canelo at 175? Any takers on that? Or no should Ward stay retired?
Ward is retired.
Ward and Floyd are retired.
Both retired undefeated and in good health with plenty of Money.
We all need to accept that.
We also need to accept that Ward chased Kovalev down and entered his weight class with injuries and a 2 year lay off with business issues..he wanted the bogeyman.
If you’re brainwashed by the Rocky movies and think it’s cool to be take punishment then some won’t appreciate the true Art of boxing..Ward is not coming back..unless Canelo calls him out after beating up an old washed up Kovalev.,.but why would he when there’s no money or franchise belt for him.
Canelo calling out Ward?
Financially this is great for Kovalev. It sets him up for life (as long as he is semi smart with his money).
So this is boxing in the Canelo era. Canelo will pick you out only if you're beatable (right time, right conditions, etc). You're obviously honored to take the fight, and will come away a richer man for it. Rinse and repeat.
The WBC periodically churns out another belt... and adds to Canelo's collection.
I miss the good ol' days.
I just don’t like the obvious (well obvious to some people) cherry pick of an older opponent, who has name recognition, and that you have a favorable style match up. Also, it’s a high risk low reward fight.
Again, I’m not against the fight in theory, but I’m against Canelo picking the specific fight in a specific weight while there are at least 7-8 fighters I would rather him fight between middleweight and light heavyweight.
I'm hoping you mean it's a high risk low reward fight for Kovalev... and everything else is exactly right. Also, I'm among those people who see the obvious cherry picking. It's nauseating... especially when done by such a high profile fighter.
I would respect this guy a lot more if he would just throw caution to the wind and say f*ck it... I'm gonna fight the best... at their peak... at their weight. I'm gonna earn the lofty throne they've carved out for me out of pure gold.
But if it hasn't happened more than 50 fights into his pro career, it'll never happen.
This ain't boxing. It's pageantry.