I have only just seen this. What do you mean El Kabong by
"You have absolutely no agency in life, no say over anything, you're a victim acted upon by everyone else. You DREAM that you're a revolutionary while you do nothing but tilt at windmills Don Quixote"
Only you are curiously incredibly active all over the forum during the hours when most of your state are out working, and you are determined not to tell anybody what you actually do? A bit like Gandalf insisting that I am supposedly unproductive while he sits at home and reads a book after working for only a few hours a week. I have been incredibly candid and it is quite easy for me to point you toward everything I do, because it is my job to document things, but you seem to think that achieving things makes me the victim. What have you achieved? Seriously answer the question. Today, last week, in your life? Where is all this agency you supposedly have? Why if you are so in control are you so worried about acknowledging other people's achievements? Why are you so insistent that somebody in another country apologise to you for an incident which has nothing to do with them? Why are you both so keen to portray yourselves as fighting for liberty when neither of you seem to leave the safety of your keyboard?
No wonder you couldn't read the article. It was simply too much like hard work. You are both part of the easy answers brigade. Coates is not perfect but it is a solid piece of work and he makes some very good points. What have you ever written? What has Gandalf ever written? Come on if you are going to pretend that only you and Gandalf get to designate who are writers and journalists, what is fact and what is fiction. You both think you are experts on things like English Law, of which neither of you have even the most cursory knowledge of. Of course you are entitled to an Opinion, but that is not enough for either of you. What you really want is to shut down dissenting voices and dismiss anything that challenges your myopic world view.
Look at the second hand reasoning employed by both of you. You think everything revolves around you. Both of you. You think because you did not own a slave then nobody deserves anything. Gandalf thinks because he has a job (allegedly) then anyone who does not earn what he does much be lazy like he is prone to be.
You are both stuck on class and identity, so much so that you can't handle anything that threatens that bubble you have built for yourselves. Lets have some honesty from both of you for once. Just a tiny bit would be a start.
Why have you never mentioned the reparations paid to slave owners for losing slaves? is that just too squirmy for you. One would have to ask why.
What about all the former colonized countries paying back reparations to countries that colonized them in return for independence? Like for example Madagascar has to your precious France
What about all the War reparations that should have went to Jews being used to pay the pensions of Nazi collaborators?
This is where the incredibly shallow, vacuous and tenuous assessment of the issue by you both is revealed.
Its not left vs right or Democrats v Republicans or Blacks vs Whites or Jews vs Nazis like you both pretend. It is something that needs to be addressed by people less fucking stupid than you pair.
From now on I will address you both as El Gand Bong
Make up your mind.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to white people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Asian people.
Black people (As a group) have not done a thing to Latino people.
Black people have been the most peaceful on the planet. You also know on some deep buried level, that if whites were in our position ? They would feel a murderous rage towards black people.
I think on a level that's so buried deep in white people's subconscious. They are aware of the violence and the THREATENED violence that it takes to keep a system going that they receive collective privileges from.
Black rage is justified.
If black people (who are PLACED BY WHITE PEOPLE at the BOTTOM of the RACIAL hierarchy) can be racist, what does that make the white people who created/invented/continue/enjoy the system/hierarchy that benefits them at the expense of everyone else[IMG]
I couldn’t care less what white folks think or say in regard to anything I write here. Why should I? If they cared (as a collective/group) about black people, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
There’s something SPIRITUALLY wrong/lacking/woefully amiss in a group/collective who will continually support a diabolical system that mistreats people based upon the color of their skin — for centuries.
All of them
You speak 5% that makes a wee bit of sense..... and bury it with your 95% nonsense.
Your assertions that "ALL white people this....... ALL white people that....." are childish, exaggerated, ludicrous, and obliterate any speck of credibility you might be able to build with people you address.
You're doing blacks a disservice by being the racist, deluded nutcase you are..... because racism IS a real problem, and one that needs to be addressed. But addressed between intelligent whites and blacks. Not by deluded loons like yourself.
What's there talk about ?
Black Americans need Reparations in the form of CASH PAYMENTS. Foundational Black Americans are owed cash payments. The federal government made MONEY from free Black labor.
Go on give me a good laugh
Because I can't prove it.
So I suspect them all
I get it.
You’ve been taught to think of blacks in monolithic terms and that you being white doesn't have much of anything to do with who and what you are. You think it’s just something coincidental about yourself, like having red hair or hazel eyes or a birthmark. You don’t see that being in that racial group has a lot to do with your life chances, psychology, emotions, reactions to others.
And so when I come into Saddo and say that you being white has 100% relevance in your life and thinking and behavior, you’re not used to thinking about yourself that way, and so you reject observations about “white people.” “Hey, I’M not like that!” “I’m a good person! Okay, I’m white, but just because I’m white doesn’t mean I do any of the bad things you’re claiming white people do. Look at me, I’m white, and I don’t do that!” And so on and all that stupid shit.
We are getting desperate. But I suppose you know if you don't name call you will eventually run out of knowledge. But if you resort to mudslinging, it's become a problem of character, not smarts.
So it turns any discussion into a petty competition, just like it does in school-yards and it quickly deteriorates into a 'pushing and shoving' contest. If you're discussing something and you think you're opinion is superior for whatever reason, then show it, you lose the moral high ground when you return to an immature attitude that you should have grown out of a long time ago.
You believe you can vanquish someone by using forceful words but arguments stand or fall on their own merits, not on who made them and why. But I suppose directly quoting something an argument stands or falls on and showing why it is wrong, going after the facts and reasons that the main argument depends on, takes the most work for you. Right ?
What are you talking about ?
The talking stops now it's time for action and that starts with cash payments that black people are owed.
I'm not deluded. I just disagree with you.
Remember - I never personally insult people on Saddo.
Masculine men like me always stay in control. You got too much female over emotional energy
A huge part of the “anger” that you and other white racists feel towards black people and their “attitude” is that black people aren’t 100% “under their thumb" anymore.
They liked black people when they had to serve white people. They liked it when it was still correct to call black people any degrading name in the book. They liked black people when black people couldn’t do anything about how we were treated. They like black people who prove their inferiority by being poor and living in ghettos.
Any black person being like me who is happy, proud, or better off really burns you because black people should hate themselves and exist purely to reaffirm your racist ego.
But you still want a discussion ?
Well first off - You're going to have to humble yourself. White people have a lot to answer for, and racism won’t go away as long as white ppl are too afraid to just sit down, be honest, and look at why it’s still a problem and actually help find a solution.
As I've said in the past being nice to a black waitress doesn't you a medal.
I mean genuinely sitting down, looking at themselves and realizing that there’s a whole world out there beyond themselves and their culture, and they don’t have the right to pretend the entire universe was reserved for only them.
As long as you just view the situation as a case of “Hateful black people” "Mad black people" "Crazy black people" "Loony black people" instead of viewing things from a perspective that doesn’t favor the privilege you (deep in side) are too scared to lose, you won’t have that “Kumbaya” they keep asking for.
But look : You can run a long and have that discussion with conservative black people who they put on CNN knowing that they're just putting a black face on white opinion and power and they'll start talking about black single motherhood and crime and black IQ. You know ? All them white supremacists talking points that you'd prefer the conversation to go in
WHA?? Wow! If you don't see the incredible irony in what you just uttered, you're beyond help (but we already knew that).
WHA?? Oh c'mon..... stop it! Just stop it! You're killing me here. I should probably stop goading you. This is bordering on child abuse.
No. Denilson. I don't. Want. A discussion.
You see, discussions are between mature adults. You are neither mature and are barely an intelligible adult.
Your defense is that you don't do "name-calling"? It's weak. You use it to cover up your penchant for, let's see......
1. Talking about places and peoples you've never been and you'll never know. First sign of arrogant ignorance.
2. Saying stupid shit like "ALL white people are racists." When you've talked to EVERY single fucking person on Earth, you're then qualified to make that statement. Till then, STFU.
3. "Foot in mouth" disease. (See the first quote above).
I argue with Lyle about guns. I argue with Beanz about transgenders. But I will never argue with you about race because you are a mental midget. A child.
Get back to me when you've reached emotional puberty.
@TitoFan "Well actually no. I'm not discussing because your too stupid to discuss"
There is seven levels of disagreement
You operate at Level 0
I operate at level 6
You need to step your game up.
One of the main tactics white supremacists use and in fact many ppl use is to turn the tables by getting the black person angry. Once he is then you can say that it is pointless to continue.
You “win” and never had to address the substance of his argument!
The way white supremacist try to do this is to never take what they say seriously. Belittle it. Demand facts and figures, studies and surveys that back up what they say. You need evidence! You need proof! If their English is bad, jump on that. If their English is too good then they probably have a good education, so what are they complaining about?
If whites are interested in helping with the cause of racism, they you must learn that it’s not easy. Discussions on racism will include harsh truths and extreme emotions.
So if whites want blacks to stop having so much disdain towards them for UNDERSTANDABLE reasons, then whites have to stop having disdain towards blacks for ILLOGICAL reasons.
All white people raised in a society where racism has been (and still is) so prevalent, will have internalized elements of racist thinking: certain beliefs, stereotypes, assumptions, and judgments about others and themselves. So in countries where beliefs in European/white superiority and domination have been historically placed, then everyone in such places will have soaked up some of that conditioning.
To me. You know what you are ? You're an amateur gunslinger.
All you do is just aimlessly point & shoot and hope for the best. But whenever you try shooting that sh!t at me - I go for the heavy snark because in a full-on blast, the guy (or girl) with the bigger gun is more likely to leave a smoking bullet-ridden avatar on the ground.
And besides, at that point I know the convo is over, so might as well have some fun.
Man..... these are some true nuggets. Please keep them coming. You are entertaining as long as you understand your place here.
Transgender is racial?????
The white LGBT community has their own institutions neighborhoods, resources and economic base that whites control.
If “intersectionality” is genuine.
When and where have they assisted the BLACK LGBT community in controlling the same tangible resources ?
Hell, just a few days ago they signed orders to protect transgenders. The question is who are they protecting transgenders from ? Who do you think they are going to punish with these new executive orders? (hint: not white people)
Everyone else can get "Protected class status", but yet black Americans cannot and black ppl are the ones being targeted. Where is the executive order protecting Black people from being murdered by police officers? Every other race/nationality is receiving tangibles except for us.
The LGBTQ community will have more rights & protection under the law than blacks. It boggles my mind how a sexual orientation and lifestyle is even considered but are mostly successful in getting civil rights before a race of people brought here against there will, brutalized, tortured, exploited and forced to build the very economy of this country for free.
Plus there are tons of anti-Black white supremacists in the LGBT community, right?
A white LGBT police officer in Philly (Philip Nordo) was charged with raping Black male witnesses during investigations for over a decade. Gay Actor Kevin Spcaey said he didn't want "n*ggers watching his trailer" Gay white supremacists like Ed Buck having multiple gay Black men mysteriously dying in his home and yet no one in the white community, LGTB or other does a thing to bring justice for those Black men.
Yeah sure the white LGBT organization will prop Black people up as mascots so that the white orgs can RAKE IN THE MONEY. Here we have black people living in a system of white supremacy. Living in the mud, can't get biscuit....but if you're black man and you wanna lead the gay parade ?
THEY'LL RESERVE A SPOT FOR A BLACK PERSON FOR THAT
They only give gay Black people non-tangible things like "a voice". And when Black LGBT brothers end up dead, they do nothing.
Get out my face, trying act like the LGTB movement isn't racial
You remember this Jurassic Park III scene? Where Dr. Grant has to dig through a huge pile of dinosaur dung in order to get to something useful? His phone? Remember? :D
Well.... likewise I find myself digging through your gigantic pile of verbal dung, just in case there's something of use in there.
Now, if you were a coherent, logical, mature, open-minded black person...... even an angry, resentful one....... I would chime in, saying how I agree (my thoughts on the LGBTQ movement are well chronicled here) with your basic principle.
But I won't. You know why? Because you've fucked up that point for good. It's why I maintain you do a serious disservice to the cause of the black man in America.
Thank God you are in a very minute minority. 'Cause if the majority thought like you, there would've been a mass extermination by one race or another by now.
But I'll go ahead and state my own opinions about the "cell phone I had to dig through tons of verbal crap to retrieve"........ and here's my disclaimer up front:
I couldn't give less of a rat's ass what your twisted mind thinks about what I have to say. You've automatically disqualified yourself from any "serious, honest" (your words) discussions about race.
Having said that, (and addressing everyone else but you)........... it IS sad that the LGBTQXYZ activists are continuing to ram their agenda down society's collective throat (unfortunate choice of words, I'll admit).
What took black people (AND women) long decades to sort of achieve, these people are trying to achieve in a comparative nanosecond.
PLUS........ blacks are born blacks and women are born women. Transgenders have a mental sickness that should be humanely addressed. I DIDN'T MENTION GAYS, Fenster.
So there. Those are my two cents.
Cue Denilson to spew more verbal dinosaur dung, and Fenster to come rushing in to incorrectly assume I want to kill all gays.
Its a shame it was quite a decent thread before most of it was lost in the server change.