Our favorite topic..... P4P Rankings!!! ;-)

Yes, I know... no need to thank me. ;D

P4P rankings are a pain in the ass, and the source of huge disagreements between boxing fans. Something to argue about over beers at the neighborhood bar. Everyone's always got the right answer... and everyone else is wrong. :D

But hey... they're an inescapable part of our sport... and we actually love to talk about it even though publicly we claim to hate it. :cool:

So without further ado, I set out to find the latest p4p rankings by some of the organizations that do this sort of thing. Gotta be careful doing this, because not everybody puts out these rankings frequently enough to keep up with the latest fights and occurrences in boxing. But anyway, I chose four organizations that regularly put out p4p lists, and compared their rankings. There's more orgs, but I chose these. The Ring, BoxRec, TBRB, and ESPN. I'll share and comment on their rankings.

The Ring (updated Feb 2024)

1. Crawford
2. Inoue

(Every org, except BoxRec, had Crawford and Inoue #1 and 2 respectively, in their list. I would respectfully invert the two. Inoue, IMHO, has by far the better resume and the more impressive career at this point. Two things he's got going against him are: 1. He's a lighter weight than Crawford, and 2. He's Japanese and to my knowledge speaks little or no English. Unfair, to be sure... but it is what it is.)

3. Usyk - No issues there. Usyk has earned his spot with a sparkling resume at cruiser, and then his two victories over Joshua.
4. Canelo - Too high. I'd put both Bivol and Beterbiev above him. At least those guys don't duck anybody.
5. Beterbiev
6. Bivol
7. Haney - Meh. He did go up in weight and beat Prograis convincingly. That's worth something. I'm hoping he embarrasses the Princess next.
8. Spence - Meh. Damaged goods. Looked downright awful against Crawford. It's telling he's not ranked in the Top 10 by any of the other three orgs.
9. Davis - He was the first to expose the Princess. For that alone I'd give him a pass.
10. Jesse Rodriguez - (HUH??)


ESPN (updated Dec 2023)

1. Crawford
2. Inoue
3. Usyk
4. Bivol
5. Canelo - Nah... lower
6. Haney
7. Beterbiev
8. Davis
9. Shakur - After that pitiful performance against De los Santos, he should consider himself lucky he's on ANY list.
10. Tyson Fury - (no comment)

BoxRec (no date given)

1. Crawford
2. Canelo - They can blow me. Which is EXACTLY what they're doing to Canelo. They should all smoke a cigarette next.
3. Inoue - Canelo's not even fit to carry Inoue's jock strap.
4. Davis - More proof that BoxRec is out to lunch.
5. Haney
6. Bivol
7. Benavidez
8. Beterbiev
9. Navarrete
10. Eubank Jr.

(The only ones to leave out Usyk from their Top 10. BoxRec's rankings are shit for more reasons than one).

TBRB (no date given)

1. Crawford
2. Inoue
3. Usyk
4. Bivol
5. Canelo
6. Haney
7. Beterbiev
8. Teofimo
9. Teraji
10. Nakatani

(Nice to see some Japanese fighters in there for a change).

Jessie Bam Bam Rodriguez should be in the top ten.

Inoue is top for me, Crawford has to be second with his inactivity.

Fury will be in the top ten if he beats Usyk.

Was Chris Eubank in there?!?!

BoxRec has him 10th.

But BoxRec also has Canelo 2nd, and didn't even mention Usyk. I'll have what they're smoking.

Like both of you, I would have Inoue #1 & Crawford #2 just because I’m pissed off that Crawford looks amazing then doesn’t build on the momentum . Usyk definitely #3. The rest can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.

It's all marketing for the masses O0 but sometimes lasting substance rises to the top. That would be Inoue.

Inoue and Crawford for me but I have limited knowledge these days. Whoever wins the undisputed HW in may could have a claim too but probably stay third.

So does Ryan Garcia enter your top 10? :D

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Originally Posted by Big J

So does Ryan Garcia enter your top 10? :D

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No

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Originally Posted by Master

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So does Ryan Garcia enter your top 10? :D

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No

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should king ry throw a hissy like devin did when the ring didn't include him on their pound for pound list when he beat george kambosos?

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Originally Posted by Big J

So does Ryan Garcia enter your top 10? :D

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No, but Devin moves out for the time being till he earns his way back in.

So it's unanimous then.
Good.

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Originally Posted by Big J

So does Ryan Garcia enter your top 10? :D

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No

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should king ry throw a hissy like devin did when the ring didn't include him on their pound for pound list when he beat george kambosos?

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Given his current ledger of hissys and rants we're probably looking at holiday season of 2024 for that one ;D

again, flavors of the month :juggle:

I did not have Haney top 10 P4P so Garcia is not either