Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?

Let's be realistic. Is this clown, the IBF CHAMPION, and self proclaimed, "#1 p4p fighter in the world", even worthy of a top 20 spot. Let's examine this a bit.

The definitely above Judah list: (no particular order)
1-Klitschko
2-Toney
3-Tarver
4-Calzaghe
5-Taylor
6-Winky
7-Karmazin
8-Mosley
9-Hatton
10-Cotto
11-Margarito
12-PBF
13-Hopkins
14-Corrales
15-Castillo
16-Barrera
17-Morales
18-Pacquiao
19-JMM
20-Juan Diaz

Then there's the MAYBE higher than Judah list.
1-the guy that beat JMM
2-Zahir Raheem
3-Lacy
4-Glen Johnson
5-Vargas
6-Rocky Juarez
7-Rahman.
8-Ouma

Even SaltheButcher has to admit this makes sense.

I can't front. You earned yourself a CC with that one. Good argument.

There is noooo way,he is P4P top 20,CC. You also missed out on Arce,Calderon,Pongsaklek etc etc. I have never been a Judah fan,he has power(over rated@147),speed,no chin,nor heart,nor courage nor focus and cannot take basic instructions from the corner. I have never rated him highly nor will I ever. He did his best for 4 rounds against Floyd but that was a combination of Floyd's own tactical thinking and Judah's activity.And to think he proclaims to be the best fighter in the world?! Oh and did I mention that he is a classless jackass??

The only person with two straight defeats that should be in the top 20 p4p is B-Hop

Maybe, maybe not.. Your first list also includes other's who shouldn't be in the top 20, imo.. such as Toney, Mosley, Karmazin, Juan Diaz.. Id say if you replaced those with the fighters The Game named then it would be more reasonable, there are several lower weight fighters who should be breaking the top 10 aboutnow, imo.. Calderon, Arce, Viloria..

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Maybe, maybe not.. Your first list also includes other's who shouldn't be in the top 20, imo.. such as Toney, Mosley, Karmazin, Juan Diaz.. Id say if you replaced those with the fighters The Game named then it would be more reasonable, there are several lower weight fighters who should be breaking the top 10 aboutnow, imo.. Calderon, Arce, Viloria..

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CC,finalllly someone else who notices the little big guys!!1

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare

Let's be realistic. Is this clown, the IBF CHAMPION, and self proclaimed, "#1 p4p fighter in the world", even worthy of a top 20 spot. Let's examine this a bit.

The definitely above Judah list: (no particular order)
1-Klitschko
2-Toney
3-Tarver
4-Calzaghe
5-Taylor
6-Winky
7-Karmazin
8-Mosley
9-Hatton
10-Cotto
11-Margarito
12-PBF
13-Hopkins
14-Corrales
15-Castillo
16-Barrera
17-Morales
18-Pacquiao
19-JMM
20-Juan Diaz

Then there's the MAYBE higher than Judah list.
1-the guy that beat JMM
2-Zahir Raheem
3-Lacy
4-Glen Johnson
5-Vargas
6-Rocky Juarez
7-Rahman.
8-Ouma

Even SaltheButcher has to admit this makes sense.

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You put Lacy on your MABYE list but not a boxer as Kessler who never lost a single round in his pro career? ???

You put Lacy, vargas and Rocky Juarez on the list??? I don't think I need to say anything further ;D

No starr. Did you read the entire post? Lacy, Vargas and Juarez were on the MAYBE list, not the definite list.

And I live in NYC. I honestly have never seen Kessler fight so thats why he didnt list him. If you say he deserves it, it just strengthens my case against Judah.

Do you mean "if they win their next fights" list. because Vargas, and Juarez would be on the p4p list if they won their next fights

Agreed. When your next opponent is Barrera or Mosley, and you beat them, you go onto the DEFINITE list.

But the point is, with all his talk, Judah is not even in the top 20 p4p. Man I wish I could send this list to him!

I wouldn't put Vargas on the P4P list if he won his next fight and if MAB wins,he makes strong claim for 2nd spot I think?

I think you can argue this list from No. 3 down, but even if MAB beats Juarez, he cant jump over Winky or PBF.

And if Winky wins, you're talking about wins over Mosley twice, Trinidad and Taylor. There'd be a strong case for him as no. 1.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare

No starr. Did you read the entire post? Lacy, Vargas and Juarez were on the MAYBE list, not the definite list.

And I live in NYC. I honestly have never seen Kessler fight so thats why he didnt list him. If you say he deserves it, it just strengthens my case against Judah.

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C Click, that is a fair case if you never saw Kessler, but already one year ago maxboxing putted Kessler on their p4p top25 ;-D

Judah shouldn't even be top 50.