Just how good was Ray Leonard?
I noticed there are a few people that rate SRL very highly and those who think he is totally overated...So i wanted to see what the rest of the board think. IMO he is one of the best p4p fighters ever.
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I noticed there are a few people that rate SRL very highly and those who think he is totally overated...So i wanted to see what the rest of the board think. IMO he is one of the best p4p fighters ever.
Def a p4p great, but his career had flaws. Credit to him for winning the first fight with Hearns, but the first 13.5 rounds of that showed one of 2 things. How great Hearns was, ro that Leonards was 'slightly' overrrated. A fighter who is schooled in their prime raises question marks imo.
That said, he won the fight so what do I know!! ;)
p4p I would say...
Duran
Hagler
Leonard
Hearns
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
If you going by all there fights in other divisions, than I got no problem with saying Duran was the best. You got to remember Hearns won titles in mulitple division as well. He went from Welterweight all the way up to Light Heavyweight. Which is very impressive
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
Greatest
Of
All
Time
GOAT
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
If you going by all there fights in other divisions, than I got no problem with saying Duran was the best. You got to remember Hearns won titles in mulitple division as well. He went from Welterweight all the way up to Light Heavyweight. Which is very impressive
Yeah agreed, although he was big even for a middleweight and simply should not have been allowed to fight at 147!
I liked Tommy but his chin and the fact that he was physically the most gifted makes me favour Duran. He wasn't very big but just was hard as nails.
I remember watching him fight Barkely, he looked about 50 years old and I thought there was no way on earth he would win but he was awesome. One round he got caught flush, back on the jaw whilst thowing a punch, the sort that Castillo KO'd Coralles with, Duran barely even staggered. Probably top 4 or 5 all time I reckon.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
Greatest
Of
All
Time
GOAT
Ahh pretty obvious really! :-[ ;D
For some reason I had in mind that GOATSE image that you see on the net :o
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Duran was overrated at lightweight imo
