fernando vargas recap: was he really that good or fighting small fighters?
i think fernando vargas (whos a true middleweight) paid off from fighting much smaller men his whole career and he just overpowered them and blew past them just like felix trinidad @ welterweight..i think he's a SOLID but looked great vs little welterweights..the first true guy his size he fought winky wright..he got exposed his best win was ike quartey who started his career @ 140 and yory boy campas who's always chubby and probably could make 140 if he choses
was he that good or just fighting smaller guys?
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spot on, he was too used to fighting small guys. imagine ricky hattong trying to fight like he does against the middleweights, JUST WOULDNT WORK!
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I do think Vargas in his day was very skilled and a talented boxer however he seemed to crumble against the best fighters.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I do think Vargas in his day was very skilled and a talented boxer however he seemed to crumble against the best fighters.
He was very competitive in big fights. He gave Tito hell in their fight which I believe changed him for the worse as a fighter, he was beating Oscar (IMO) until he was wobbled with that big right hook. These two fights against Shane should not count against his legacy because both of these fighters were shot and Shane did not fight the Vargas who fought Tito, the outcome would have been totally different.
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Dont think He looked to good against Winky
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Dont think He looked to good against Winky
No one loks good against Wright, but for Vargas to perform as well as he did at such an early stage in his career proved he could fight
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I do think Vargas in his day was very skilled and a talented boxer however he seemed to crumble against the best fighters.
He was very competitive in big fights. He gave Tito hell in their fight which I believe changed him for the worse as a fighter, he was beating Oscar (IMO) until he was wobbled with that big right hook. These two fights against Shane should not count against his legacy because both of these fighters were shot and Shane did not fight the Vargas who fought Tito, the outcome would have been totally different.
^^ CC totally agree he gave Tito hell in that fight indeed and wasn't the same after
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I do think Vargas in his day was very skilled and a talented boxer however he seemed to crumble against the best fighters.
He was very competitive in big fights. He gave Tito hell in their fight which I believe changed him for the worse as a fighter, he was beating Oscar (IMO) until he was wobbled with that big right hook. These two fights against Shane should not count against his legacy because both of these fighters were shot and Shane did not fight the Vargas who fought Tito, the outcome would have been totally different.
I agree, he didn't just get blown out by Oscar and Tito. He pushed them to the absolute limit and it took all they had to beat him. He knocked both men down and fought couragously against them. Of course Mosley didn't just KO the Vargas who fought Tito, but he wasn't the same Mosley who beat Oscar Delahoya the first time either. In their Primes, the outcome would have been the same I feel, a win for Mosley. But it would have been one Hell of a fight!
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
spot on, he was too used to fighting small guys. imagine ricky hattong trying to fight like he does against the middleweights, JUST WOULDNT WORK!
Shane Mosley the former lightweight just knocked out the super middleweight vargas who was 168 on fight night
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vargas is a good fighter but lost the big fights against hall of famers trinidad and de la hoya, he turns brawler in big fights against top class fighters and as a result he gets picked off to easy in later stages of those fights, but no matter what he has given us some great fights, plenty of colour and charecter so he should be remembered as a entertaining prize fighter who when the going got tough for him in the ring he came out fighting and layed it on the line and with that he brought excitment and ko finishes even though it was him being ko'd
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Originally Posted by nuclear bull
vargas is a good fighter but lost the big fights against hall of famers trinidad and de la hoya, he turns brawler in big fights against top class fighters and as a result he gets picked off to easy in later stages of those fights, but no matter what he has given us some great fights, plenty of colour and charecter so he should be remembered as a entertaining prize fighter who when the going got tough for him in the ring he came out fighting and layed it on the line and with that he brought excitment and ko finishes even though it was him being ko'd
I am not a particular Vargas fan, but don't dislike him or anything.
I will always respect an honest athlete who gives it his best shot, never ducks anyone, gives 100% and was always carried out on his shield.
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Yeah Vargas was never afraid to fight the best, I just think the Trinidad loss took to much away from him then followed by the back injury left him a shell of his former self
