Joe Calzaghe: Stop living off of Lacy
It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
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Beyer isn't all that....neither is Kessler....Joe has fought better fighters than both of them but I agree Bika isn't the guy he should be fighting now
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Beyer isn't all that....neither is Kessler....Joe has fought better fighters than both of them but I agree Bika isn't the guy he should be fighting now
Bika is maybe a ok warm-up fight to a mega-fight in 2007
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Take a CC to help out that ratio man ;) I agree that Calzaghe fans are putting too much into his win over Lacy. To be the best you have to fight the best. Then again...the SMW division has never seemed to have the deepest talent pool and you can make the argument that calzaghe fought everyone he could. Still, I think either Jones or Hopkins would mop the floor with him.
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Take a CC to help out that ratio man ;) I agree that Calzaghe fans are putting too much into his win over Lacy. To be the best you have to fight the best. Then again...the SMW division has never seemed to have the deepest talent pool and you can make the argument that calzaghe fought everyone he could.
Still, I think either Jones or Hopkins would mop the floor with him.
I agree. Though i think hop would do it better than roy. I say this with no offense to roy but southpaws have been his only problem. The first man to drop him was a southpaw and the first man to knock him out was a southpaw so he might have a little trouble considering joes height. But i think hop would own him because hes great against sothpaws. His best punch is the best weapon against a sothpaw:his right hand and I honestly feel joe ain't tough enough to fight hop. Hop is a rough mentally strong guy. He would rough him up big time and I don't know if he can handle it
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as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
it is betta than mayweather gatti u foool
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him.
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Your quite right alot of people thought Joe would get beat. But he didnt.... Joe gave Lacy a boxing lesson. Now how many times can ya say that about Mayweather, Trinidad, Wright, etc. How many times have these guys been going into the ring being the underdog in many experts eyes. And with that thought in mind, gone on and won so convincingly.
I appreciate pundits get wrong from time to time, but........., well alot of experts thought Lacy would win !
I guess only time will tell , who knows, Jeff Lacy may move on and become the undisputed SMW champion.
Im not a huge fan of Calzaghe myself, but i appreciate what he has done in his career.
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I agree with the topic title. The rest is more ehhh.... could have made a wonderful point.. but
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Hillarious. You people kill me with this bullshit.
You all find it so easy to overlook all the other men that Calzaghe destroyed with ease...you all find it so easy to overlook the fact that he's beaten better men than Kessler...Lacy...or anyone else at 168lbs.
Deal. Calzaghe is a worthy champion...a brilliant boxer...& a respectful fighter. Just because some of you have your noses poked in some dark places that they shouldn't be...doesn't mean Joe isn't worth the praise.
Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Hillarious. You people kill me with this bullshit.
You all find it so easy to overlook all the other men that Calzaghe destroyed with ease...you all find it so easy to overlook the fact that he's beaten better men than Kessler...Lacy...or anyone else at 168lbs.
Deal. Calzaghe is a worthy champion...a brilliant boxer...& a respectful fighter. Just because some of you have your noses poked in some dark places that they shouldn't be...doesn't mean Joe isn't worth the praise.
Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.
I see your drunk again, eh Wack? I rather blame it on the booze instead of stupidity. What good fighters has Calzcrappy actually destroyed? Will McIntyre? Tocker Pudwill? Mger Mkrtchian? There garbage. And his win over the shot, glass jawed Byron Mitchell was one of the most "premature, the ref is my friend" type stoppage's I ever seen.
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Joe calzaghe deserves alot of props for spanking lacys ass the way he did. i'd like to see him fight taylor of tarver
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Hillarious. You people kill me with this bullshit.
You all find it so easy to overlook all the other men that Calzaghe destroyed with ease...you all find it so easy to overlook the fact that he's beaten better men than Kessler...Lacy...or anyone else at 168lbs.
Deal. Calzaghe is a worthy champion...a brilliant boxer...& a respectful fighter. Just because some of you have your noses poked in some dark places that they shouldn't be...doesn't mean Joe isn't worth the praise.
Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.
I see your drunk again, eh Wack? I rather blame it on the booze instead of stupidity. What good fighters has Calzcrappy actually destroyed? Will McIntyre? Tocker Pudwill? Mger Mkrtchian? There garbage. And his win over the shot, glass jawed Byron Mitchell was on of the most "premature, the ref is my friend" type stoppage's I ever seen.
I tried to ignore it the first time...but unfortunately...your'e to blinded by your own stupidity & hate to recognize actual talent.
Again...you can break down anyone's competition out there...you can come up with any excuse or variable...but the man can fight...he is undefeated & he's accomplished a hell of a lot as a fighter. He's kept his title & he also defeated one of the most respeceted & greatest up & comer of the past 2-3 years.
I hate it for you hater...but Calzaghe is a hell of a lot more skilled than anyone at 160 to 175 right now. Excluding Wright or Hopkins...I really don't see that there's anyone out there that will beat him...& I don't just say this over the Lacy win...because I was lauding the possibility of a Calzaghe win prior to the fact.
You can keep on bringing that drunken factor in to it...but you just keep proving what you accuse me of after that...stupidity.
Again...you need to deal with the fact that the guy is a champion. He's also got quite an amatuer record too...but drunkenly stupidly...you overlook that also.
Go ahead & :sadclick: me...because I just changed you back to what you deserve for your hate. ;) :-*
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Hillarious. You people kill me with this bullshit.
You all find it so easy to overlook all the other men that Calzaghe destroyed with ease...you all find it so easy to overlook the fact that he's beaten better men than Kessler...Lacy...or anyone else at 168lbs.
Deal. Calzaghe is a worthy champion...a brilliant boxer...& a respectful fighter. Just because some of you have your noses poked in some dark places that they shouldn't be...doesn't mean Joe isn't worth the praise.
Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.
I see your drunk again, eh Wack?  I rather blame it on the booze instead of stupidity.  What good fighters has Calzcrappy actually destroyed?    Will McIntyre?  Tocker Pudwill?  Mger Mkrtchian?  There garbage.  And his win over the shot, glass jawed Byron Mitchell was on of the most "premature, the ref is my friend" type stoppage's I ever seen. 
I tried to ignore it the first time...but unfortunately...your'e to blinded by your own stupidity & hate to recognize actual talent.
Again...you can break down anyone's competition out there...you can come up with any excuse or variable...but the man can fight...he is undefeated & he's accomplished a hell of a lot as a fighter. He's kept his title & he also defeated one of the most respeceted & greatest up & comer of the past 2-3 years.
I hate it for you hater...but Calzaghe is a hell of a lot more skilled than anyone at 160 to 175 right now. Excluding Wright or Hopkins...I really don't see that there's anyone out there that will beat him...& I don't just say this over the Lacy win...because I was lauding the possibility of a Calzaghe win prior to the fact.
You can keep on bringing that drunken factor in to it...but you just keep proving what you accuse me of after that...stupidity.
Again...you need to deal with the fact that the guy is a champion. He's also got quite an amatuer record too...but drunkenly stupidly...you overlook that also.
Go ahead &    :sadclick:    me...because I just changed you back to what you deserve for your hate.  ;) :-*
Can't do that, I sc'ed you earlier on.  And your missing the point.  I never once said Joe, couldn't fight.  I've said he's overrated and hasn't accomplished a hell of a lot .  A lot of guys can fight.  Mark Breland, Ed Hopson, Kelcie Banks.  Them guys could fight.  But they didn't do much.  And neither has Calzaghe.  Yes, he dominated Lacy.  But Lacy wasn't much.  And I can say this cuz it's nothing new. You'll never find a post in which I said Lacy was going to murder Calzaghe.  Cuz I never taught much of Lacy.  And you keep bringing up this title he has.  It's a WBO title!  It's regarded less than the IBF.  And that's say something.  You say it's a great accomplishment that he's defended it so much.  If that's the case, than how come you never praise Artur Grigorian?  He held a crappy ass WBO title too.  He defended it over 15 times!  Why he get no love from you?
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It was not a huge win by any means. It was an impressive performance in that he dominated a guy most people figured would beat him. In retrospect, Lacy was not nearly as good as Showtime made him out to be. Wright's domination of Trinidad was twice as impressive because Trinidad has an impressive history. Lacy's biggest win was Scott Pemberton/Omar Sheika/Robin Reid. Take your pick. None of them are great wins. Calzaghe and his fans can't go a day without mentioning the Lacy shut-out as though it even ranks up there with Mayweather's domination of Gatti. Newsflash: it doesn't. Fight the winner of Kessler-Beyer, who, without a doubt, will be a more proven fighter than Lacy was.
Kessler KO Beyer in 7 round
Hillarious. You people kill me with this bullshit.
You all find it so easy to overlook all the other men that Calzaghe destroyed with ease...you all find it so easy to overlook the fact that he's beaten better men than Kessler...Lacy...or anyone else at 168lbs.
Deal. Calzaghe is a worthy champion...a brilliant boxer...& a respectful fighter. Just because some of you have your noses poked in some dark places that they shouldn't be...doesn't mean Joe isn't worth the praise.
Lacy was the best at 168lbs & he proved himself to be more durable than Kessler & fought better fighters than Kessler did in his first 20 or some odd fights.
I see your drunk again, eh Wack? I rather blame it on the booze instead of stupidity. What good fighters has Calzcrappy actually destroyed? Will McIntyre? Tocker Pudwill? Mger Mkrtchian? There garbage. And his win over the shot, glass jawed Byron Mitchell was on of the most "premature, the ref is my friend" type stoppage's I ever seen.
I tried to ignore it the first time...but unfortunately...your'e to blinded by your own stupidity & hate to recognize actual talent.
Again...you can break down anyone's competition out there...you can come up with any excuse or variable...but the man can fight...he is undefeated & he's accomplished a hell of a lot as a fighter. He's kept his title & he also defeated one of the most respeceted & greatest up & comer of the past 2-3 years.
I hate it for you hater...but Calzaghe is a hell of a lot more skilled than anyone at 160 to 175 right now. Excluding Wright or Hopkins...I really don't see that there's anyone out there that will beat him...& I don't just say this over the Lacy win...because I was lauding the possibility of a Calzaghe win prior to the fact.
You can keep on bringing that drunken factor in to it...but you just keep proving what you accuse me of after that...stupidity.
Again...you need to deal with the fact that the guy is a champion. He's also got quite an amatuer record too...but drunkenly stupidly...you overlook that also.
Go ahead & :sadclick: me...because I just changed you back to what you deserve for your hate. ;) :-*
Can't do that, I sc'ed you earlier on. And your missing the point. I never once said Joe, couldn't fight. I've said he's overrated and hasn't accomplished a hell of a lot . A lot of guys can fight. Mark Breland, Ed Hopson, Kelcie Banks. Them guys could fight. But they didn't do much. And neither has Calzaghe. Yes, he dominated Lacy. But Lacy wasn't much. And I can say this cuz it's nothing new. You'll never find a post in which I said Lacy was going to murder Calzaghe. Cuz I never taught much of Lacy. And you keep bringing up this title he has. It's a WBO title! It's regarded less than the IBF. And that's say something. You say it's a great accomplishment that he's defended it so much. If that's the case, than how come you never praise Artur Grigorian? He held a crappy a** WBO title too. He defended it over 15 times! Why he get no love from you?
Haha, VD you the coolest f*cking guy on this forum. I cc bout everytime you post but still can't keep it over .500.
Anyways, screw calzaghe. Lacy is his biggest win, ask anyone. And the fact that his biggest win came against a PROSPECT says a lot about him. Hottest thing in MW or SMW? Please. He's never challenged himself his whole career and certainly doesn't deserve that 0 losses on his record. Hopkins would beat him with ease and make him look horrible. Jones even though he is a shell of his prime would still be able to handle calzaghe. Even Tarver who I don't give much credit to would be able to take calzaghe. But you know what? We'll never know how any of these guys would do against calzaghe cause JC aint never gonna take a fight he has a chance to lose. He is a good boxer, yes..but his record is so inflated with meaningless wins and there are many guys how could have destroyed him throughout the years that he just avoided by being a coward or by wanting to protect his record.
** Also, Im not making excuses for Lacy, its a fighter responsiblity to show up; but he looked so drained and lethargic in the ring that night. I don't think he's making excuses when he says that he fought 20%...just compare his speed and everything that night to his previous 3 fights. Again, he should have showed up and Im not saying he would have beat calzaghe anyways b/c he wouldnt have imo...but I i think calzaghe was feeling 100% and lacy wasn't nearly fighting at his full potential.
Lacy doesn't deserve a rematch cause he did get his ass whooped. But calzaghe doesnt deserve to be thought of as a great fighter when he NEVER fought any true elites.
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I'm reading and I will say it again. IMO Is better to be a boxing fan first then a Boxers Fan well if you are in this forum regardless of your country. I like Lacy but he did nothing to be grant a Re-match i mean Common!!!!!!!
What is wrong with Today's Boxers? At the beginning the fight anyone and everyone but once they are at the top they want to fight no one look at PBF, Winky etc. I love this 2 but again Common give us the good fights the want that you at the top will be challenge.
I have to admit I'm still LOL here from the line: " I'm afraid I will get arrested...."
