Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I've been watching his last 4 fights, and I think he's got what it takes. a great jab, a budding left hook, and a devastating right cross. Sure his chin still isn't the best, but it can handle enough for him to do his job. I can see him losing by flash kos or by one punch changing the fight, but I still say he is by far the best heavyweight out there, and probably would be a good heavyweight in any era. People look at him, and then they look at Ali who was way faster, but they forget how big and strong Wlad really is. Idon't think Foreman was as strong as Klitschko, nor do I think anyone except Lennox(who was IMO a smaller guy) has shown this size along with athleticism.
Agree with almost everything except that which I can't at all.. Id also say Riddick Bowe would have to have shown more than his athleticism at one inch shorter. But good post, he's certainly the best HW now, but Peter should give him a great fight if they ever rematch. THey've both improved, Id give the edge to Wlad though. Wlad is a great offensive fighter really, if he had not shown problems with his stamina in the past he could be rated as one of the best offensive HW's ever, for what that would be worth..
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
Bowe was 3-4 inches shorter than Wladimir.....and I doubt Foreman had the training Wlad has....Foreman was naturally the best heavy7weight ever to put on the gloves but Wlad has really learned a lot and there are a lot of guys as strong or stronger than Foreman due to the newer training and weight lifting.
Wladimir has always had a good left hook, his style with Manny has limited it's use and Manny ain't one to know how to use the left hook except in a defensive/tactical way......Wlad could ko ANYONE with his left hook....remember he rocked the shit out of Sam Peter with the hook. Wlad's right cross is good but if you pay too much attention to that the left hook will be your undoing!!!! I think his uppercut is developing though and will be useful vs smaller fighters
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I've been watching his last 4 fights, and I think he's got what it takes. a great jab, a budding left hook, and a devastating right cross. Sure his chin still isn't the best, but it can handle enough for him to do his job. I can see him losing by flash kos or by one punch changing the fight, but I still say he is by far the best heavyweight out there, and probably would be a good heavyweight in any era. People look at him, and then they look at Ali who was way faster, but they forget how big and strong Wlad really is. Idon't think Foreman was as strong as Klitschko, nor do I think anyone except Lennox(who was IMO a smaller guy) has shown this size along with athleticism.
Great post, but whenever I bring up these points I get raked over the coals. :)
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Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
Foreman also had something called "heavy hands" which you cant get from any kind of newer techniques or weightlifting. His hands were HUGE a la Joe Louis and many other bombers. I can't believe people are comparing Klitschko to a legend like Foreman. Let's face the facts here, Klitschko looks great because he is surrounded by a bunch of mediocre clowns at best. I mean, that Austin fight was a joke. There is no one to test this guy so we may never know if he is any good. Sure he has tools and does execute some good textbook boxing moves. He is not showing a whole lot more of that than he was when he first was making waves, beating down an old Ray Mercer and then Jameel McCline. And then he got knocked out. Twice. By basically nobody. So he has gotten a little bit better at working offensively from a distance to keep his opponents away from his chin. That will only work as long as he fights opponents who dont have the heart or the chin to take a punch or two from him to get inside and really whack him. As soon as that happens, I would not be surprised if we see Wladimir Klitschko on Dream Street again. Like Foreman, Klitschko also has something that newer, more advanced training and weightlifting technologies cannot help or hinder...a glass jaw. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any credit or that he is a bum. I'm just saying when you judge a fighter, you look at the people he's fought. Take a look at George Foreman's list of opponents and compare it to Klitschko's before you go and start putting Wladimir up on that high pedestal. He is merely the most talented of ordinary...and he has a great trainer in his corner.
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
Would'nt say foreman had a glass jaw mate
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Would'nt say foreman had a glass jaw mate
If you read what I said, you wouldn't think that I said Foreman had anything of the kind. What I said was both Foreman and Klitschko have something that cannot be changed by newer techniques or advanced training; Foreman had heavy hands, and Klitschko has a glass jaw.
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Foreman also had something called "heavy hands" which you cant get from any kind of newer techniques or weightlifting. His hands were HUGE a la Joe Louis and many other bombers. I can't believe people are comparing Klitschko to a legend like Foreman. Let's face the facts here, Klitschko looks great because he is surrounded by a bunch of mediocre clowns at best. I mean, that Austin fight was a joke. There is no one to test this guy so we may never know if he is any good. Sure he has tools and does execute some good textbook boxing moves. He is not showing a whole lot more of that than he was when he first was making waves, beating down an old Ray Mercer and then Jameel McCline. And then he got knocked out. Twice. By basically nobody. So he has gotten a little bit better at working offensively from a distance to keep his opponents away from his chin. That will only work as long as he fights opponents who dont have the heart or the chin to take a punch or two from him to get inside and really whack him. As soon as that happens, I would not be surprised if we see Wladimir Klitschko on Dream Street again. Like Foreman, Klitschko also has something that newer, more advanced training and weightlifting technologies cannot help or hinder...a glass jaw. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any credit or that he is a bum. I'm just saying when you judge a fighter, you look at the people he's fought. Take a look at George Foreman's list of opponents and compare it to Klitschko's before you go and start putting Wladimir up on that high pedestal. He is merely the most talented of ordinary...and he has a great trainer in his corner.
CC I agree with everything you said...
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bowe was 3-4 inches shorter than Wladimir.....and I doubt Foreman had the training Wlad has....Foreman was naturally the best heavy7weight ever to put on the gloves but Wlad has really learned a lot and there are a lot of guys as strong or stronger than Foreman due to the newer training and weight lifting.
Wladimir has always had a good left hook, his style with Manny has limited it's use and Manny ain't one to know how to use the left hook except in a defensive/tactical way......Wlad could ko ANYONE with his left hook....remember he rocked the S*** out of Sam Peter with the hook. Wlad's right cross is good but if you pay too much attention to that the left hook will be your undoing!!!! I think his uppercut is developing though and will be useful vs smaller fighters
Bowe is 6 foot 5 and Wlad is 6' 6 am i missing something bro ??
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I think he's 6ft 4.
So Wlad must be 6ft 8 ::**
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Sorry ICB, Bowe is 6'5...Wlad is 6'6-6'7...my bad.
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Foreman also had something called "heavy hands" which you cant get from any kind of newer techniques or weightlifting. His hands were HUGE a la Joe Louis and many other bombers. I can't believe people are comparing Klitschko to a legend like Foreman. Let's face the facts here, Klitschko looks great because he is surrounded by a bunch of mediocre clowns at best. I mean, that Austin fight was a joke. There is no one to test this guy so we may never know if he is any good. Sure he has tools and does execute some good textbook boxing moves. He is not showing a whole lot more of that than he was when he first was making waves, beating down an old Ray Mercer and then Jameel McCline. And then he got knocked out. Twice. By basically nobody. So he has gotten a little bit better at working offensively from a distance to keep his opponents away from his chin. That will only work as long as he fights opponents who dont have the heart or the chin to take a punch or two from him to get inside and really whack him. As soon as that happens, I would not be surprised if we see Wladimir Klitschko on Dream Street again. Like Foreman, Klitschko also has something that newer, more advanced training and weightlifting technologies cannot help or hinder...a glass jaw. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any credit or that he is a bum. I'm just saying when you judge a fighter, you look at the people he's fought. Take a look at George Foreman's list of opponents and compare it to Klitschko's before you go and start putting Wladimir up on that high pedestal. He is merely the most talented of ordinary...and he has a great trainer in his corner.
You can get heavy hands from weight lifting and not training properly....if you're just talking about not being able to throw quick punches.
If you're talking about power, then no....his power was natural
Dave Wladimir has fought and beat some very good fighters....he has fought better competition than anyone else in the division. He just turned 31 and already has 51 fights and has 43 KO's in his 48 wins!!!! That's impressive no matter who you're fighting.
And don't call Corrie Sanders a nobody...or Lamon Brewster those guys are very tough fighters.
I'm not saying Wladimir is on par with Foreman, there is no question Foreman is one of the best heavyweights in the history of the sport.......Wladimir is still making his mark on the division
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
Title: Wladimir the real deal?
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Wladdy is the best Heavy around right now, he was well on his way to being the Undisputed Champ. until he ran into Corrie, if he can get in there with Shannon & Valuev and Oleg he'll def. cement his legacy as the best Heavy. of this time....
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say
Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats. I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.
Re: Wladimir the real deal.
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Originally Posted by plinden
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
Wlads a good boxer with power but i would'nt say he was stronger than Foreman and his chin is still suspect major question mark over that forever i would say
Lets say they are equally strong, but Foreman had no good defence when younger. I would say that Wlad is about as dangerous as Foreman. They are all greats.
I think that VITALI is the best HW ever. Foreman's sloppy defence would be his downfall against his enormous reach, and Vitali has never been down. If you can't KO jimmy young then you cant KO VItali.
Disagree with that totally how can Vitali be best hw ever ?? i've seen hws alot better than Vitali
