All Time: Heavies, Middles, Welters

I've never made a list before the other day when I listed my top 10 Heavies of all time. So, I decided to do a list for each of my three favorite weight classes and see what you folks thought of them.

I want to hear your thoughts good or bad...

All Time: Heavyweights
1. Joe Louis
2. Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Larry Holmes
5. John L. Sullivan
6. Jack Johnson
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jack Dempsy
9. Sonny Liston
10. Mike Tyson

All Time: Middleweights
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Stanley Ketchel
4. Carlos Monzon
5. Les Darcy
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. James Toney
8. Toney Zale
9. Rocky Graziano
10. Jake LaMotta

All Time: Welterweights
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Julio Ceaser Chavez
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Roberto Duran
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Kostya Tszyu
9. Kid Gavilin
10. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Your lists have got most of the usual suspects but I got a couple questions:

Can you rate Sullivan alongside fighters of the gloved era?

At middleweight where are Greb, Burley, Flowers, Walker or even possible Conn.

How come you got Marciano ahead of Johnson. (Ali's my #1 followed by Louis & Johnson)

Jim Jeffries is a guy who makes the bottom half of my top 10

My all time HW list looks like this...

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Johnson
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Gene Tunney
10. Lennox Lewis (yep, I have Lewis as my #10.)

I dont see Roy Jones Jr?!? ???

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

My all time HW list looks like this...

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Johnson
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Gene Tunney
10. Lennox Lewis (yep, I have Lewis as my #10.)

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not far from my top 10 actually. im unsure about tunney. yes he did beat carpentier, gibbons and dempsey twice but does that qualify him as a great heavyweight champion. hes a great fighter for sure but i rank him on his heavyweight acheivements

id have had jack johnson as high as 3 though with holmes at 4. i agree totally with lewis with being in the top 10.

my 10 would be

ali
louis
johnson
holmes
lewis
foreman
marciano
holyfield
frazier
dempsey

For the record I have a VERY high opinon of Larry Holmes, and I feel that if he and Ali were to fight while both in their primes, Holmes would beat him. But Ali just has too many incredible achievements not to be #1, so Holmes gets my #2

fair comment. thats why i have holmes at 4. to be honest it was the highest i could of put him really in my opinion

alis acheivements in and out of the ring says it all, guts,chin, charisma etc
louis - 25 title defences, tremendous short puncher
johnson - defensive genius, fought in an era of extreme prejudice, half a century ahead of his time

im with you on the rating holmes so highly but the 3 ive just mentioned just pip him in my opinion

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Originally Posted by LBSCFC

fair comment. thats why i have holmes at 4. to be honest it was the highest i could of put him really in my opinion

alis acheivements in and out of the ring says it all, guts,chin, charisma etc
louis - 25 title defences, tremendous short puncher
johnson - defensive genius, fought in an era of extreme prejudice, half a century ahead of his time

im with you on the rating holmes so highly but the 3 ive just mentioned just pip him in my opinion

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I agree with you Holmes fits in at 4.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

For the record I have a VERY high opinon of Larry Holmes, and I feel that if he and Ali were to fight while both in their primes, Holmes would beat him. But Ali just has too many incredible achievements not to be #1, so Holmes gets my #2

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by LBSCFC

fair comment. thats why i have holmes at 4. to be honest it was the highest i could of put him really in my opinion

alis acheivements in and out of the ring says it all, guts,chin, charisma etc
louis - 25 title defences, tremendous short puncher
johnson - defensive genius, fought in an era of extreme prejudice, half a century ahead of his time

im with you on the rating holmes so highly but the 3 ive just mentioned just pip him in my opinion

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To be fair i've seen VERY LITTLE Jack Johnson footage, so I might be underrating him.

its always a tough one comparing eras. maybe if johnson fought in the modern era maybe he would be outpointed a majority of the time because of his style. greatness can only be judged on the era u fought in. holmes with the exception of ali probably had the greatest chin of any heavyweight. much is said of the way ali got straight up after the fraier left hook in 71 but whatabout holmes v shavers.

I'll start with the Middles :D

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
4 Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Mickey Walker
6. Charley Burley
7 Bernard Hopkins
8 Stanley Ketchel
9. Marcel Cerdan
10 Tony Zale

Big H can i ask why Hagler over Robinson jusr wondering

All Time: Heavyweights
1. Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. Jack Johnson
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jack Dempsy
9. John Sullivan
10. George Foreman

All Time: Middleweights
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Stanley Ketchel
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Les Darcy
6. Carlos Monzon
7. James Toney
8. Jake LaMotta
9. Rocky Graziano
10. Tony Zale

All Time: Welterweights
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Shane Mosley
5. Julio Ceaser Chavez
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Roberto Duran
9. Kostya Tszyu
10. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I'll start with the Middles :D

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
4 Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Mickey Walker
6. Charley Burley
7 Bernard Hopkins
8 Stanley Ketchel
9. Marcel Cerdan
10 Tony Zale

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Nice looking list bro... I rate Greb #1. No Flowers though

My list

Greb
Robinson
Monzon
Hagler
LaMotta
Burley
Flowers
Hopkins
Ketchel
Walker