Can someone who loses the first bout when moving up a division be forgiven?

I was thinking about this when looking at how close Ricky Hatton came to losing after his move up to 147 fighting against Collazo, so I was wondering whether you guys would be willing to overlook a defeat for a fighter who was making the step up in weight, although i imagine this would be a bigger factor in the lighter weights.

Also, any examples of someone moving up a weight and not making the grade spring to mind? Pacman moving up to fight Morales is one that I can think of.

That depends on who they fight.

didnt De La Hoya move up in weight to fight Mosley the first time and lose.

CBA to check boxrec ;D

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Originally Posted by Saddo

didnt De La Hoya move up in weight to fight Mosley the first time and lose.

CBA to check boxrec ;D

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Mosely moved up to fight Oscar did'nt he

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

That depends on who they fight.

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Yeah, and wether they physically and stylistically have a chance. For instance, no shame in Gatti losing to Oscar...

It also applies in reverse...or does it...I mean, any shame in Ruiz losing to Jones?

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

I was thinking about this when looking at how close Ricky Hatton came to losing after his move up to 147 fighting against Collazo, so I was wondering whether you guys would be willing to overlook a defeat for a fighter who was making the step up in weight, although i imagine this would be a bigger factor in the lighter weights.

Also, any examples of someone moving up a weight and not making the grade spring to mind? Pacman moving up to fight Morales is one that I can think of.

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I personally hate excuses, a loss is a loss and that's that.
I was poisoned.
I hurt my hand.
My dog ate my gloves.

Thats all jibba jabber :mr-t:

Depends who fight who. I don't mind that Hatton had problems with Collazo moving up, except that people still think he would beat Mayweather. Mayweather has moved more weights, and has won every fight except one straight out. My problem with Hatton is why didn't he fight Collazo again? If you are in a close fight going up, you should fight that guy again. I give Mosley all the kudos for fighting guys again who beat him the first time. Mayweather gets credit for fighting Castillo again, and for wanting to fight Oscar Dela Hoya again.

everyone keeps saying it was the weight that caused him to look bad against collazo..i say it was collazo's style and ability that caused him to look bad...and if he moves up and loses to floyd who is still basically a 135-140 pounder posing as a welter if hatton loses to him it will be just that...he lost...but in floyd case it doesn't matter who he loses to he won't be cut any slack...he could up and fight the winner of hop/wright and get kayoed and most will still say that he wasn't that good in the first place....

Thanks for your thoughts guys, I basically agree in that the lighter a fighter is, moving up in weight by one or two divisions is easier to do, because the weights are obviously closer together. If you fight someone that's also moved up, then that's different, but I agree with the suggestion that Hatton should want to prove himself by beating Collazo again comprehensively.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

I was thinking about this when looking at how close Ricky Hatton came to losing after his move up to 147 fighting against Collazo, so I was wondering whether you guys would be willing to overlook a defeat for a fighter who was making the step up in weight, although i imagine this would be a bigger factor in the lighter weights.

Also, any examples of someone moving up a weight and not making the grade spring to mind? Pacman moving up to fight Morales is one that I can think of.

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if he proves he can comeback and get acclimated to the weight and beat the guy he lost to yeah.