Jones Jr at 170, will this be a problem?

Considering that it has been close to 12 years since Roy has been lower than 175 and that he has fought as high as 193lbs. Is it possible for this drop in weight to affect him more than it would affect Tito to gain weight?

It has never been good for a fighter to lose weight this late in his career. What do you guys think?

All i no for sure in response to this question is that Tito wont be needing to be putting on weight! He's allegedly walking around at 190 or so!

I remember during the Prince Ajamu fight he said he was struggling with the weight but if he has agreed to fight he will make the weight no matter what effect it will have on him because it is a big fight. It may have an effect during the fight particularly the latter rounds but it may not get that far. I see Jones stopping Trinidad mid way.

I dont think Roy would have agreed to the fight at 170 if he couldnt make the weight or his performance would suffer if he did. Roy's very careful about who he fights and now that hes been KO'ed twice i doubt he wants to have that happen to him again. I think this will be one explosive fight and it will definatly not go 12 rds. If Roy puts quick cobos together and stays off the ropes he'll KO Tito in 6

Five bucks for a fighter in a higher weight class. Maybe it means Jones eats 18 meals a week instead of 21, but I don't see him struggling for a mere 5 pounds. Hopkins' unofficial weight for Tarver was 181 and he made the 170 limit for Wright no problem.

You can't compare a man who only fought once at 175 to a man who has been fighting at 175+ for almost 12 years. Jones himself has said that it would be tough but he is willing to sacrifice for this fight. (Check out boxing scene for this statement)

I think it might have an effect late in the fight and if the fight gets to the later rounds it could become a problem for Roy.

Yes, I can. What difference does 12 year old muscle make versus 1 year old muscle- they're both muscle! Hopkins didn't put on 21 pounds of fat when he fought Tarver so it was 11 pounds of MUSCLE he shaved off for Wright. Jones will be shaving off 5 pounds of MUSCLE to fight Trinidad. In truth, he's probably dropping down to see how he feels at a lower weight so he can make up his mind whether or not he wants to seriously call out Calzaghe.

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Originally Posted by liquid

Yes, I can. What difference does 12 year old muscle make versus 1 year old muscle- they're both muscle! Hopkins didn't put on 21 pounds of fat when he fought Tarver so it was 11 pounds of MUSCLE he shaved off for Wright. Jones will be shaving off 5 pounds of MUSCLE to fight Trinidad. In truth, he's probably dropping down to see how he feels at a lower weight so he can make up his mind whether or not he wants to seriously call out Calzaghe.

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Hopkins weighed in at 175 to fight Tarver... Unofficialy means that's how much weight he put on overnight. You clearly have no understanding of what fighters do to make weight, have you ever heard of electrolytes, waterweight??? Or do you just presume that Hopkins put on 6 lbs of lean muscle overnight ::**

Valid. losing or gaining weight in boxing is sometimes quite difficult. This the reason why some boxers retire in their 30's because their body is subjected to too much stress(gaining or losing weight artificially), aside from the punishment they get from opponents.

Some people really don't understand how fighters make weight. Jorge Arce for example in his last fight weighed in at 115lbs. 24 hours later he weighed 130lbs in the ring. Obviously since then he was put on weight, most of that weight is in the form of water. A typical program for cutting weight would be, on the day before the weigh-in, a fighter would stop taking in all food and water, (except possibly glucose tablets or something similar) and take maybe 2 sauna's in the day, one just before bed.Whilst in the sauna and wearing a sweatsuit, a fighter would be doing light cardio work, like shadow boxing or an airdyne. In the morning ideally the fighter would be very close to the weight, and would possible be able to drink a very small glass of distilled water, one sip at a time. Then it's just about cuttingwhat ever's left of the weight, most of the hard work should have been done by now, it's just sauna sauna sauna and cardio until your at the weight. It's not unusual for a Cruiserweight to cut 20lbs of weight, nearly all of it is water in the body.

That's why some fighters look ready to drop dead on the scales, they've been cutting weight, it can tire you out, and affect things like punch resistance and stamina, the lining of the fluid in the brain and the osmotic balance in the blood are hugely affected by this huge shift of water, and it can rob you of the fight, that's why the commentators say a fighter looks weight drained.

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

Some people really don't understand how fighters make weight. Jorge Arce for example in his last fight weighed in at 115lbs. 24 hours later he weighed 130lbs in the ring. Obviously since then he was put on weight, most of that weight is in the form of water. A typical program for cutting weight would be, on the day before the weigh-in, a fighter would stop taking in all food and water, (except possibly glucose tablets or something similar) and take maybe 2 sauna's in the day, one just before bed.Whilst in the sauna and wearing a sweatsuit, a fighter would be doing light cardio work, like shadow boxing or an airdyne. In the morning ideally the fighter would be very close to the weight, and would possible be able to drink a very small glass of distilled water, one sip at a time. Then it's just about cuttingwhat ever's left of the weight, most of the hard work should have been done by now, it's just sauna sauna sauna and cardio until your at the weight. It's not unusual for a Cruiserweight to cut 20lbs of weight, nearly all of it is water in the body.

That's why some fighters look ready to drop dead on the scales, they've been cutting weight, it can tire you out, and affect things like punch resistance and stamina, the lining of the fluid in the brain and the osmotic balance in the blood are hugely affected by this huge shift of water, and it can rob you of the fight, that's why the commentators say a fighter looks weight drained.

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no it's cause they are tired from pumping iron 24-7 since the weigh in and putting on like 15 lbs of rock solid muscle, liquid told me so ;D.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

Some people really don't understand how fighters make weight. Jorge Arce for example in his last fight weighed in at 115lbs. 24 hours later he weighed 130lbs in the ring. Obviously since then he was put on weight, most of that weight is in the form of water. A typical program for cutting weight would be, on the day before the weigh-in, a fighter would stop taking in all food and water, (except possibly glucose tablets or something similar) and take maybe 2 sauna's in the day, one just before bed.Whilst in the sauna and wearing a sweatsuit, a fighter would be doing light cardio work, like shadow boxing or an airdyne. In the morning ideally the fighter would be very close to the weight, and would possible be able to drink a very small glass of distilled water, one sip at a time. Then it's just about cuttingwhat ever's left of the weight, most of the hard work should have been done by now, it's just sauna sauna sauna and cardio until your at the weight. It's not unusual for a Cruiserweight to cut 20lbs of weight, nearly all of it is water in the body.

That's why some fighters look ready to drop dead on the scales, they've been cutting weight, it can tire you out, and affect things like punch resistance and stamina, the lining of the fluid in the brain and the osmotic balance in the blood are hugely affected by this huge shift of water, and it can rob you of the fight, that's why the commentators say a fighter looks weight drained.

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no it's cause they are tired from pumping iron 24-7 since the weigh in and putting on like 15 lbs of rock solid muscle, liquid told me so ;D.

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Losing weight is deffinately alot harder than gaining. Especially when you've been there for over a decade. This could be good for RJJ meaning he'll be lighter and faster but at the same time it could weaken him if he struggles to make the weight. I don't think you want to come into a fight with any type of weakness in your body against Tito.

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Originally Posted by 'Big' Dan McCarthy

Some people really don't understand how fighters make weight. Jorge Arce for example in his last fight weighed in at 115lbs. 24 hours later he weighed 130lbs in the ring. Obviously since then he was put on weight, most of that weight is in the form of water. A typical program for cutting weight would be, on the day before the weigh-in, a fighter would stop taking in all food and water, (except possibly glucose tablets or something similar) and take maybe 2 sauna's in the day, one just before bed.Whilst in the sauna and wearing a sweatsuit, a fighter would be doing light cardio work, like shadow boxing or an airdyne. In the morning ideally the fighter would be very close to the weight, and would possible be able to drink a very small glass of distilled water, one sip at a time. Then it's just about cuttingwhat ever's left of the weight, most of the hard work should have been done by now, it's just sauna sauna sauna and cardio until your at the weight. It's not unusual for a Cruiserweight to cut 20lbs of weight, nearly all of it is water in the body.

That's why some fighters look ready to drop dead on the scales, they've been cutting weight, it can tire you out, and affect things like punch resistance and stamina, the lining of the fluid in the brain and the osmotic balance in the blood are hugely affected by this huge shift of water, and it can rob you of the fight, that's why the commentators say a fighter looks weight drained.

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CC for great info Dan. I know that fighter dehydrated themselves to make weight, but I didnt know the extent of the work they had to go through to do it. I can't imagine how going through that must be like.

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Originally Posted by liquid

Yes, I can. What difference does 12 year old muscle make versus 1 year old muscle- they're both muscle! Hopkins didn't put on 21 pounds of fat when he fought Tarver so it was 11 pounds of MUSCLE he shaved off for Wright. Jones will be shaving off 5 pounds of MUSCLE to fight Trinidad. In truth, he's probably dropping down to see how he feels at a lower weight so he can make up his mind whether or not he wants to seriously call out Calzaghe.

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Hopkins weighed in at 175 to fight Tarver... Unofficialy means that's how much weight he put on overnight. You clearly have no understanding of what fighters do to make weight, have you ever heard of electrolytes, waterweight??? Or do you just presume that Hopkins put on 6 lbs of lean muscle overnight ::**

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Which means that Hopkins naturally weight 181 pounds hydrated when he fought Tarver and he shed 11 pounds of water and muscle to fight Wright. I understand what electrolytes are-didja understand what I wrote originally or knee-jerk respond?

I'll state it a different way and hopefully that'll clear up my meaning. It's irrelevant whether or not you've had the muscle 12 years or 6 months-muscle is muscle. If Hopkins, in his early 40s, can drop FIVE pounds to fight at 170, Roy Jones should not have a great deal of difficulty, at 38, to do the same. He typically doesn't put on a great deal of weight on the unofficial scale. Jones struggled to drop 18 pounds in a winning effort against Tarver, I don't think one third of that will upset the apple cart. Let's remember; Jones moved up because he wanted to, not because he had to.