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joe louis was pratically invincible during his reign --as was tyson-only of 5 yrs though.
joe louis had only 1 loss during his prime --so did tyson--they both took that fight very lightly---with good reason
tyson came out of retirement of 5 yrs and was only a shadow of the real iron mike
louis came outta retirement and was just a shadow of the brown bomber
i only did this post cuz its something different
Thats where the comparisons end though
Joe Louis was the heavyweight champion for 13 years, defended his title successfully 25 times, and had 7 title defenses in one year.
Joe Louis is "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"
Nice Comparison. Don't forget they both had sad lives after boxing and both left the sport broke.
I think that Louis was better, overall, than either Ali or Tyson, but stlyes make fights.
The young Ali (Clay,then) had the best chance of beating Louis because of his fleetness of foot. Louis liked to get set. The young Tyson would beat that Ali because of HIS foot and hand speed and power. The young Tyson was very very fast. The young, prime Tyson wouldn't go 2 with Louis because of his hard fast short punches.
No way Tyson beats Ali and NO WAY Tyson beats Louis
The power and snap he had in those short punches were just fucking amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
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First few clips on this vid.
....you know who else looked like that??? Floyd Patterson!
NO ONE has done what Joe Louis did and no one will come close to being that great.....well Larry Holmes tried but his power never really shocked me like Joe's.
Don't get me wrong, Tyson was a great specimen and a brilliant but I think his mental/psychological traits would make him the underdog vs almost all of the all-time greats ESPECIALLY guys like Ali and Foreman.
A Tyson-Walcott fight would have been a sight to see....Jersey Joe with his flashy footwork and Tyson with his full speed ahead bullying pressure.
Got to disagree.Prime Tyson would have beaten a Prime Ali or Louis. Tyson was just so fast and strong during his prime.Ali or Louis would have the same beating as Spinks in the hand of Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes, and it was the UNDISPUTED world championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Louis was a machine, a murderous punching, unemotional stonefaced monster who cleaned out the division three times. He fought everybody around.
There are some parallels ..... both were very young when they hit prominance, both were being acclaimed as the saviour of the heavyweight division, both absolutely terrified their opponents. Both were big hitters with surprisingly good technique. Both struggled to cope with life outside the ring and ended up broke.
The differences - Tyson employed devastating speed and power, used in a series of rushes up to and into his opponents. His combinations were the reason that he got most of his early KOs (th opponent usually never saw the last punch) though he settled into relying more on one=punch power later in his career. Louis was a stalker, he would cut off the ring remorselessly and unload blurrinf combinations on the inside .... the greatest short puncher, and finisher, in history.
Two great fighters at their best .... but I'm with Lyle on this .... Louis was superior.
And what PRIME all-time greats did Tyson demolish???Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You need to see more Joe Louis obviously he was COLD BLOODED! Louis-Schmelling II was more brutal than ANYTHING Tyson ever handed out!
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And Ali would box Tyson's ears off after basically taking his heart and eating it before the fight even happened. I don't like Ali as "The Greatest" but he was a phenomenal boxer and could take anything Tyson could dish out.....
look at the style match up
Ali - Cus D'Mato trained Floyd Patterson
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look at the mental battle
Ali-Liston (The Baddest Man on the Planet)
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Ali-Liston I proved that Ali could take punishment and survive vs anyone
Tyson would ko Louis early, he was bigger and Louis was vulnerable early and Tyson was at his most devastating early. If Tyson did not do it early then Louis stood a chance. In terms of greatness Joe Louis was better but in a one off match Tyson would win.
And Spinks wasn't a great Heavyweight he only got the title getting 2 gift decisions of an old fading Holmes with there 2nd fight being robbery and you actually can't be serious thinking 2 all time greats like Ali, Louis would end up sameway as Spinks ?? and people wonder why i don't like Tyson fans this is perfect example right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Tyson's best wins were against old rusty Holmes and Lightheavyweight Spinks did you know someone had already koed Berbick in 1 round after Tyson done it in 2 ?? Tony Tubbs was a decent win but he only had 2 weeks to train and was well out of shape Pinklon Thomas had just got out of rehab and i never considered him that good anyway Tillis a journeyman gave Tyson alot of trouble a fight that is not well known about i suggest you go watch it and Tillis is very very poor mans version of Ali.
Ain't really seen enough of JL to be honest, but Ali and Tyson I have, and for me Tyson at his best would not have lived with Ali at his best....
Why, because in my opinion only, Tyson although himself was fairly fast and powerfull would have been far too one dimensional for lateral thinking Ali, and for me unless Tyson got lucky with a big shot would have been given a painfull runaround leading to defeat every day of the week by the speed, strength and class of Ali...
Just my opinion though.. :badass: