My Updated All-Time P4P List

Expect mistakes beacuse this was put together very quickly

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Benny Leonard
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Ray Leonard
14. Eder Jofre
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Archie Moore
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Barney Ross
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Carlos Monzon
22. Ike Williams
23. Mickey Walker
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Gene Tunney
26. Stanley Ketchal
27. Jack Dempsey
28. Alexis Arguello
29. Aaron Pryor
30. Jack Johnson
31. Emile Griffith
32. Barbados Joe Walcott
33. George Foreman
34. Roy Jones
35. Marcel Cerdan
36. Jim McLarnin
37. Salvador Sanchez
38. Fighting Harada
39. Thomas Hearns
40. Larry Holmes
41. Carlos Ortiz
42. Kid Gavilan
43. Evander Holyfield
44. Azumah Nelson
45. Carlos Zarate
46. Bob Fitzsimmons
47. Charley Burley
48. Billy Conn
49. Rocky Marciano
50. Jake LaMotta

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

Expect mistakes beacuse this was put together very quickly

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Benny Leonard
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Sandy Saddler
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Ray Leonard
14. Eder Jofre
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Archie Moore
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Barney Ross
20. Tony Canzoneri
21. Carlos Monzon
22. Ike Williams
23. Mickey Walker
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Gene Tunney
26. Stanley Ketchal
27. Jack Dempsey
28. Alexis Arguello
29. Aaron Pryor
30. Jack Johnson
31. Emile Griffith
32. Barbados Joe Walcott
33. George Foreman
34. Roy Jones
35. Marcel Cerdan
36. Jim McLarnin
37. Salvador Sanchez
38. Fighting Harada
39. Thomas Hearns
40. Larry Holmes
41. Carlos Ortiz
42. Kid Gavilan
43. Evander Holyfield
44. Azumah Nelson
45. Carlos Zarate
46. Bob Fitzsimmons
47. Charley Burley
48. Billy Conn
49. Rocky Marciano
50. Jake LaMotta

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Your top 10 looks ok i wouldn't have Sandy Saddler in my top 10 i think Marciano is way too low and Dempsey is too high and your others i wouldn't agree with either but its hard to do top 50 so i'll give you :coolclick: for your effort i have only managed top 20 list top 50 is too hard for me too many choices.

MARCIANO'S ERA WASN'T THE BEST SO I find it hard to rate him Top 25. Saddler beat Pep 4 ( i think) times and was a great featherweight, I think he deserves top 10 status.

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

MARCIANO'S ERA WASN'T THE BEST SO I find it hard to rate him Top 25. Saddler beat Pep 4 ( i think) times and was a great featherweight, I think he deserves top 10 status.

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But was Dempsey's era really any better ?? who did he beat except Jess Willard and Tommy Gibbons and few other decent hws like Georges Carpentier, Jack Sharkey,

I would switch no.4 and 5

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

MARCIANO'S ERA WASN'T THE BEST SO I find it hard to rate him Top 25. Saddler beat Pep 4 ( i think) times and was a great featherweight, I think he deserves top 10 status.

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But was Dempsey's era really any better ?? who did he beat except Jess Willard and Tommy Gibbons and few other decent hws like Georges Carpentier, Jack Sharkey,

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Willard beat (however controversially) Jack Johnson. Sharkey, Gibbons and Carpentier are all good fighters. I rate all 3 of them better than Roland La Starza who until he was TKo'd was giving Marciano lots of trouble, in fact, judge Harold Barnes had it 5-5 in rounds at the time of the stoppage. Jersey Joe Walcott who is far from the greatest heavyweight was beating Marciano soundly for a long time in their fight. I'm sorry but Rocky is very overrated in my opinion because of THAT record.

Although I would never try and criticize an ATG P4P list just because of its subjective nature and the fact that there is no such thing as an accurate list. I am curious as to why you would have Carlos Zerate there and no Wilfredo Gomes.

I refuse to acknowledge any P4P list that does include Ricardo Lopez in it. It's a disgrace that he doesn't the recognition he deserves.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I refuse to acknowledge any P4P list that does include Ricardo Lopez in it. It's a disgrace that he doesn't the recognition he deserves.

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I didn't even notice he wasn't on it for certain 100 percent he deserves to be on it the man retired undefeated and that one draw on his record was bogus draw Lopez is one of the most skilled fighters i've ever seen.

Actually i would say he is the 2nd most skilled Mexican fighter since Salvador Sanchez.

The biggest mistake I see on that list is that you have Evander Holyfield on there.

carmen basilio
ricardo lopez
joe brown (im bias)
ray leonard
Pascual perez
Mike acey (lol)
Bernarb hopkins

I have learned my lesson on commenting on someone elses P4P list or making my own...It is almost surley to end in arguement....With someone or another....

CC Sugar for making a list...A few things obviously would be changed around depending on opinion but a fine list all in all

Duilio Loi should be on there. Top 20 p4p easily.

I can't believe Casamayor is also not on the list

You have Holyfield on there, but not Floyd Mayweather??