Lucky Fighters

First, let me say that almost all professional boxers work their @sses off, but it seems like some guys seem to have more luck on their side than others. From undeserved title shots to publicity, to big paydays. Sometimes a fighters persona outside the ring can get them further than a equally as good or better fighter with a less charismatic personality or a fighter with simply no luck. Guys that come to mind for me are Peter Manfredo or Zab Judah of late, Jameel McCline, even Laila Ali, not to say those fighters aren't any good but they've been in positions that more deserving fighters have never been in. Or is it just a matter of good promotion and overhype?

Nice thread. The names that come to mind are:

Zab Judah-spoilt bastard. Gets title shots after title shots.Loses,takes a warm up,gets another title shot. Nearly all his title shots at 147 were undeserved and he does not deserve any for a long time.

Rocky Juarez- same as Judah. Almost as delusional. Got his ass handed to him by Humberto Soto. Soto STILL has not had a shot. Juarez got a shot at a horrible version of MAB and still lost(most had MAB by 2,myself included). Then he gets an undeserved rematch,loses every round getting his ears boxed off and then says MAB ran>??? The he looks lackluster,and,lo,behold,gets another title shot v JMM.

Bernard hopkins- a wonderful fighter,incredible work ethic but lucky in the sense that when he was 160 champ there were not that many big challenges around,so when you look at his title defences,you think is ram packed filled with good/great opponents.It's not. Careful match making or genuine lack of opponents? I don't know.

I'll think of more later. I think you should add unlucky to the thread title too,makes it more interesting.

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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It's not an excuse,it's a legit reason! And Mosquera was a dam tough fighter.

Good thread
Luckiest for me was Frank Bruno , won it on his fourth shot , i mean how many chances does an undeserving challenger get ?????????

Also zab of course.

Said Lawal , i mean how lucky was this guy ? the guy was clinically dead when they wheeled him into the ring againest Hamed and it lasted 17 seconds or something ridiculous but the guy had passed away before the night of the fight !!! but as it was a Frank Warren promotion no one , not even the press or ring side fans noticed as ALL Warrens promotion feature his NAME fighter againest a bum ;D :Sarcasm:
CHEERS FRANK :)

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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It's not an excuse,it's a legit reason! And Mosquera was a dam tough fighter.

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"legit reason" That's a good way putting it and I can live with that.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Nice thread. The names that come to mind are:

Zab Judah-spoilt B******. Gets title shots after title shots.Loses,takes a warm up,gets another title shot. Nearly all his title shots at 147 were undeserved and he does not deserve any for a long time.

Rocky Juarez- same as Judah. Almost as delusional. Got his a** handed to him by Humberto Soto. Soto STILL has not had a shot. Juarez got a shot at a horrible version of MAB and still lost(most had MAB by 2,myself included). Then he gets an undeserved rematch,loses every round getting his ears boxed off and then says MAB ran>??? The he looks lackluster,and,lo,behold,gets another title shot v JMM.

Bernard hopkins- a wonderful fighter,incredible work ethic but lucky in the sense that when he was 160 champ there were not that many big challenges around,so when you look at his title defences,you think is ram packed filled with good/great opponents.It's not. Careful match making or genuine lack of opponents? I don't know.

I'll think of more later. I think you should add unlucky to the thread title too,makes it more interesting.

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Thanks Ill probably do an unlucky thread down the line unless you want to start it up. Juarez is definately lucky to even be in with some of the guys he has given his lackluster performances. Also, he was very lucky to get thae win in his fight on the ODLA-Floyd undercard. I thought he lost that one. Not sure abou B-Hop though. He was just not in the best era for middleweights, but hes very deserving of where hes got to imo.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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It's not an excuse,it's a legit reason! And Mosquera was a dam tough fighter.

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"legit reason" That's a good way putting it and I can live with that.

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LOL,I mean the brain damage really happened,it's legitimate. You can't expect Valero to start fighting the best in the world after such limited pro experience!

I'd like to add Shane Mosley. Lucky because anyone else who is a "health freak" and yet admitted to having taken drugs would have an asterix placed next to the fights near the time of the doping and would be blasted by all fans. Lucky he's such a nice guy,heck I find it hard to be mad at him because he's such a nice dude! ANY other fighter would be hounded!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Nice thread. The names that come to mind are:

Zab Judah-spoilt B******. Gets title shots after title shots.Loses,takes a warm up,gets another title shot. Nearly all his title shots at 147 were undeserved and he does not deserve any for a long time.

Rocky Juarez- same as Judah. Almost as delusional. Got his a** handed to him by Humberto Soto. Soto STILL has not had a shot. Juarez got a shot at a horrible version of MAB and still lost(most had MAB by 2,myself included). Then he gets an undeserved rematch,loses every round getting his ears boxed off and then says MAB ran>??? The he looks lackluster,and,lo,behold,gets another title shot v JMM.

Bernard hopkins- a wonderful fighter,incredible work ethic but lucky in the sense that when he was 160 champ there were not that many big challenges around,so when you look at his title defences,you think is ram packed filled with good/great opponents.It's not. Careful match making or genuine lack of opponents? I don't know.

I'll think of more later. I think you should add unlucky to the thread title too,makes it more interesting.

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Thanks Ill probably do an unlucky thread down the line unless you want to start it up. Juarez is definately lucky to even be in with some of the guys he has given his lackluster performances. Also, he was very lucky to get thae win in his fight on the ODLA-Floyd undercard. I thought he lost that one. Not sure abou B-Hop though. He was just not in the best era for middleweights, but hes very deserving of where hes got to imo.

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CC for a great thread,really has me thinking! Yeah,maybe I'm too harsh on B Hop and it was just the era he fought in. Just,having watched his career,I was so underwhelmed by his level of opposition. You're probably right though,it was the generation of middleweights.

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Good thread
Luckiest for me was Frank Bruno , won it on his fourth shot , i mean how many chances does an undeserving challenger get ?????????

Also zab of course.

Said Lawal , i mean how lucky was this guy ? the guy was clinically dead when they wheeled him into the ring againest Hamed and it lasted 17 seconds or something ridiculous but the guy had passed away before the night of the fight !!! but as it was a Frank Warren promotion no one , not even the press or ring side fans noticed as ALL Warrens promotion feature his NAME fighter againest a bum ;D :Sarcasm:
CHEERS FRANK :)

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Frank Bruno is a pretty good one. Its hard to beleive he was the champion when he fought Tyson the second time.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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It's not an excuse,it's a legit reason! And Mosquera was a dam tough fighter.

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"legit reason" That's a good way putting it and I can live with that.

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LOL,I mean the brain damage really happened,it's legitimate. You can't expect Valero to start fighting the best in the world after such limited pro experience!

I'd like to add Shane Mosley. Lucky because anyone else who is a "health freak" and yet admitted to having taken drugs would have an asterix placed next to the fights near the time of the doping and would be blasted by all fans. Lucky he's such a nice guy,heck I find it hard to be mad at him because he's such a nice dude! ANY other fighter would be hounded!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Nice thread. The names that come to mind are:

Zab Judah-spoilt B******. Gets title shots after title shots.Loses,takes a warm up,gets another title shot. Nearly all his title shots at 147 were undeserved and he does not deserve any for a long time.

Rocky Juarez- same as Judah. Almost as delusional. Got his a** handed to him by Humberto Soto. Soto STILL has not had a shot. Juarez got a shot at a horrible version of MAB and still lost(most had MAB by 2,myself included). Then he gets an undeserved rematch,loses every round getting his ears boxed off and then says MAB ran>??? The he looks lackluster,and,lo,behold,gets another title shot v JMM.

Bernard hopkins- a wonderful fighter,incredible work ethic but lucky in the sense that when he was 160 champ there were not that many big challenges around,so when you look at his title defences,you think is ram packed filled with good/great opponents.It's not. Careful match making or genuine lack of opponents? I don't know.

I'll think of more later. I think you should add unlucky to the thread title too,makes it more interesting.

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Thanks Ill probably do an unlucky thread down the line unless you want to start it up. Juarez is definately lucky to even be in with some of the guys he has given his lackluster performances. Also, he was very lucky to get thae win in his fight on the ODLA-Floyd undercard. I thought he lost that one. Not sure abou B-Hop though. He was just not in the best era for middleweights, but hes very deserving of where hes got to imo.

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CC for a great thread,really has me thinking! Yeah,maybe I'm too harsh on B Hop and it was just the era he fought in. Just,having watched his career,I was so underwhelmed by his level of opposition. You're probably right though,it was the generation of middleweights.

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cc back. I have no doubt that if he was in the Hagler era he would have fough the same guys he did. He has showed in the last couple years that hes not afraid of a challenge and he always tried to make a rematch with Jones, but Roy wanted no part of it unless he got paid more so I cant blame Hop for that one either. There was just nobody in 90s.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Edwin Valero. By not fighting top dogs. He's got the "brain damage" excuse.

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It's not an excuse,it's a legit reason! And Mosquera was a dam tough fighter.

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"legit reason" That's a good way putting it and I can live with that.

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LOL,I mean the brain damage really happened,it's legitimate. You can't expect Valero to start fighting the best in the world after such limited pro experience!

I'd like to add Shane Mosley. Lucky because anyone else who is a "health freak" and yet admitted to having taken drugs would have an asterix placed next to the fights near the time of the doping and would be blasted by all fans. Lucky he's such a nice guy,heck I find it hard to be mad at him because he's such a nice dude! ANY other fighter would be hounded!

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Nice thread. The names that come to mind are:

Zab Judah-spoilt B******. Gets title shots after title shots.Loses,takes a warm up,gets another title shot. Nearly all his title shots at 147 were undeserved and he does not deserve any for a long time.

Rocky Juarez- same as Judah. Almost as delusional. Got his a** handed to him by Humberto Soto. Soto STILL has not had a shot. Juarez got a shot at a horrible version of MAB and still lost(most had MAB by 2,myself included). Then he gets an undeserved rematch,loses every round getting his ears boxed off and then says MAB ran>??? The he looks lackluster,and,lo,behold,gets another title shot v JMM.

Bernard hopkins- a wonderful fighter,incredible work ethic but lucky in the sense that when he was 160 champ there were not that many big challenges around,so when you look at his title defences,you think is ram packed filled with good/great opponents.It's not. Careful match making or genuine lack of opponents? I don't know.

I'll think of more later. I think you should add unlucky to the thread title too,makes it more interesting.

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Thanks Ill probably do an unlucky thread down the line unless you want to start it up. Juarez is definately lucky to even be in with some of the guys he has given his lackluster performances. Also, he was very lucky to get thae win in his fight on the ODLA-Floyd undercard. I thought he lost that one. Not sure abou B-Hop though. He was just not in the best era for middleweights, but hes very deserving of where hes got to imo.

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CC for a great thread,really has me thinking! Yeah,maybe I'm too harsh on B Hop and it was just the era he fought in. Just,having watched his career,I was so underwhelmed by his level of opposition. You're probably right though,it was the generation of middleweights.

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cc back. I have no doubt that if he was in the Hagler era he would have fough the same guys he did. He has showed in the last couple years that hes not afraid of a challenge and he always tried to make a rematch with Jones, but Roy wanted no part of it unless he got paid more so I cant blame Hop for that one either. There was just nobody in 90s.

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Yeah,you're probably right. One thing though? Wasn't there a middleweight tournament in themid 90s.(I wasn't a boxing fan at the time so I cannot say for sure,that's why I'm asking). And who entered the tournament?

Sven Ottke he had more gift decisions than i've had hot dinners.

Gamo, the only Middleweight tournament i know of was Don Kings middleweight Tournament in 2000 or 2001 and Hopkins won it. Not sure about any tournament in the late 80s-90s though.

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Sven Ottke he had more gift decisions than i've had hot dinners.

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You only had 2 hot dinners?

Chavez got some lucky breaks.

He was involved in arguably the most controversial referee decision ever in the Taylor fight, and then was involved in the most controversial judging decision ever in the Whitaker fight.

Also, a lot of people thought he got a gift in the second Randall fight.