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Think this fight would be interesting people may call me crazy but i think Gene Tunney could pull of a UD i think he had great boxing skills and i think he could stay away form the brown Bomber and score his way to a close but still a UD all the same love to hear your thoughts.
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boxer: Joe Louis
Global ID 9027
sex male
birth date 1914-05-13
death date 1981-04-12
division heavyweight
nationality United States
alias The Brown Bomber
residence Detroit, Michigan, United States
birth place Lafayette, AL, USA
birth name Joseph Louis Barrow
stance orthodox
height 6′ 2″
reach 30“
won 69 (KO 55) + lost 3 (KO 2) + drawn 0 = 72
biography Wiki Biography
bouts
Lb St Kg date AscendingDescending print
date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
1951-10-26 213¾ Rocky Marciano 184 37-0-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States L KO 8 10 Wiki
~ referee: Ruby Goldstein 2-4 | judge: Joe Agnello 2-5 | judge: Harold Barnes 3-4 ~
Louis knocked down twice in the 8th. Marciano dropped Louis for an 8-count with a left hook, and then sent him through the ropes for the knockout.
1951-08-15 203 Jimmy Bivins 180 78-20-1
Memorial Stadium, Baltimore, Maryland, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Eddie Leonard 7-3 | judge: Lee Halfpenny 6-3 | judge: Bill Ellis 6-3 ~
1951-08-01 207½ Cesar Brion 197 31-5-0
Cow Palace, San Francisco, California, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Fred Apostoli ~
1951-06-15 211¼ Lee Savold 190 93-38-3
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 6 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:29 | referee: Ruby Goldstein | judge: Frank Forbes | judge: Harold Barnes ~
Prior to this match, Savold was recognized as Heavyweight Champion by the British Boxing Board of Control;
following this fight, the BBBC recognized Ezzard Charles. Louis knocked out Savold with a left hook.
1951-05-02 208¼ Omelio Agramonte 188½ 38-11-0
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Lou Handler 57-43 | judge: Joe Lenahan 57-43 | judge: Jack Aspery 59-41 ~
1951-02-23 207 Andy Walker 194 17-8-7
Cow Palace, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 10 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:49 | referee: Frankie Brown ~
1951-02-07 209 Omelio Agramonte 187½ 36-10-0
Miami Stadium, Miami, Florida, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
1951-01-03 210¼ Freddie Beshore 191½ 28-9-1
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 4 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:48 | referee: John Weber ~
The bout was stopped on advice from the ring doctor. Beshore bleeding from his nose, and he had a bad cut on his left eyelid.
1950-11-29 216 Cesar Brion 196 28-3-0
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Frank Gilmer 56-44 | 55-45 | 55-44 ~
1950-09-27 218 Ezzard Charles 184½ 61-5-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States L UD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Mark Conn 5-10 | judge: Frank Forbes 2-13 | judge: Joe Agnello 3-12 ~
World Heavyweight Title
~ After this fight, Charles became universally recognized as the World Heavyweight Champion. ~
1948-06-25 213½ Jersey Joe Walcott 194¾ 44-12-2
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 11 15 Wiki
~ referee: Frank Fullam 5-2 | judge: Jack O'Sullivan 4-5 | judge: Harold Barnes 3-6 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis was down for no-count in round three. Louis announced his retirement on March 1, 1949
1947-12-05 211½ Jersey Joe Walcott 194½ 44-11-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W SD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 | judge: Frank Forbes 8-6 | judge: Marty Monroe 9-6 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis down in 1st and 4th.
1946-09-18 211¼ Tami Mauriello 198½ 69-7-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 1 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:09 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Attendance: 38,494.
A short but thrilling fight as Mauriello drove Louis to the ropes with a smashing right to the jaw early in the first round.
1946-06-19 207 Billy Conn 182 62-11-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 8 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:19 | referee: Eddie Joseph 5-2 | judge: Frank Forbes 5-1 | judge: Jack O'Sullivan 5-1 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Conn's performance against Louis during this bout would earn him the Associated Press's annual "Flop of the Year" award.
1944-11-14 205 Johnny Davis 190 3-3-0
Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, United States W KO 1 4 Wiki
~ time: 0:53 ~
Heavyweight title at stake per New York State Athletic Commission ruling
1942-03-27 207½ Abe Simon 255¼ 36-9-1
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 15 Wiki
~ referee: Eddie Joseph ~
World Heavyweight Title
Simon was down at the bell in both the second and fifth round.
1942-01-09 206½ Buddy Baer 250 52-6-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 1 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:56 | referee: Frank Fullam ~
World Heavyweight Title
Baer down 3 times.
1941-09-29 202¼ Lou Nova 202½ 26-2-4
Polo Grounds, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:59 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Nova was knocked down once in the 6th round. Lou made a poor showing. According to Nat Fleischer (The Ring, December 1941, page 4) he didn't win a round and took a terrible beating in the sixth round. The end was somewhat controversial because the fight was stopped with just one second left in the round when Nova arose unsteadily from the knockdown.
1941-06-18 199½ Billy Conn 174 59-10-1
Polo Grounds, New York City, New York, United States W KO 13 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:58 | referee: Eddie Joseph ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis behind on points on two of the cards, even on the other. Two rights to Conn's jaw ended the fight.
1941-05-23 201¾ Buddy Baer 237½ 52-5-0
Griffith Stadium, Washington, District of Columbia, United States W DQ 7 15 Wiki
~ referee: Arthur Donovan | judge: Jimmy Sullivan | judge: Dr. Treeg ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis down in first, Baer down three times in sixth. Last knockdown of Baer after the bell, according to Baer's manager, who then refuses to leave the ring, upon which Baer is disqualified.
1941-04-08 203¼ Tony Musto 199½ 28-10-2
Arena, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States W TKO 9 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:36 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Musto was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1941-03-21 202 Abe Simon 254½ 34-7-0
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 13 20 Wiki
~ time: 1:20 | referee: Sam Hennessey 9-2 | judge: Dad Butler 3-1 | judge: Frank Neville 7-4 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Simon was on the canvas four times before being stopped.
1941-02-17 203 Gus Dorazio 193 50-9-1
Convention Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 2 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:30 | referee: Irving Kutcher ~
World Heavyweight Title
1941-01-31 202½ Red Burman 188 71-16-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 5 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:49 | referee: Frank Fullam ~
World Heavyweight Title
Burman was stopped by a body punch.
1940-12-16 202¼ Al McCoy 180¾ 115-31-20
Boston Garden, Boston, Massachusetts, United States W TKO 6 15 Wiki
~ referee: Johnny Martin ~
World Heavyweight Title
A badly swollen left eye saw the fight stopped after the end of the fifth round.
"Confusion marked the end of this battle at the end of five rounds in which suspense was high because it was felt that anything might happen, but practically nothing did." The New York Times.
1940-06-20 199 Arturo Godoy 201½ 53-9-7
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W TKO 8 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:24 | referee: Billy Cavanaugh ~
World Heavyweight Title
Godoy was knocked down twice in the 8th round.
1940-03-29 200½ Johnny Paychek 187½ 41-4-1
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 2 15 Wiki
~ time: 0:41 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Paychek was down for three nine-counts in the first round.
1940-02-09 203 Arturo Godoy 202 53-8-7
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W SD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Arthur Donovan 10-4 | judge: Tommy Shortell 2-10 | judge: George LeCron 10-4 ~
World Heavyweight Title
"Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times
The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result.
1939-09-20 200 Bob Pastor 183 38-4-4
Briggs Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W KO 11 20 Wiki
~ referee: Sam Hennessey ~
World Heavyweight Title
Pastor was down four times in round one and once in round two.
1939-06-28 200¾ Tony Galento 233¾ 76-23-5
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W TKO 4 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:29 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis was staggered in round one and Galento was dropped in the second round. Louis was knocked down in third round.
1939-04-17 201¼ Jack Roper 204¾ 57-40-10
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:20 | referee: George Blake ~
World Heavyweight Title
1939-01-25 200¼ John Henry Lewis 180¾ 94-7-5
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 1 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:29 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Lewis was knocked down three times.
1938-06-22 198¾ Max Schmeling 193 52-7-4
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 1 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:04 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
~ NYSAC World heavyweight title ~
~ National Boxing Association World heavyweight title ~
World Heavyweight Title
1938-04-01 202½ Harry Thomas 196 39-10-2
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 5 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:50 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Thomas was down five times before the knockout.
1938-02-23 200 Nathan Mann 193½ 40-4-3
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 3 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:56 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Mann was down three times before the knockout.
1937-08-30 197 Tommy Farr 204¼ 66-20-13
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W UD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Scores: Referee Donovan 13-1-1; judges 8-5-2 and 9-6
1937-06-22 197¼ Jim Braddock 197 50-25-7
Comiskey Park, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 8 15 Wiki
~ referee: Tommy Thomas ~
~ NYSAC World heavyweight title ~
~ National Boxing Association World heavyweight title ~
Louis down in 1st; Braddock in 8th.
NYSAC recognized Louis as Champion on June 30; NBA on July 1
1937-02-17 206 Natie Brown 199½ 29-20-6
Municipal Auditorium, Kansas City, Missouri, United States W KO 4 10 Wiki
~ referee: Walter Bates ~
1937-01-29 203¼ Bob Pastor 179 21-1-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1937-01-11 200½ Steve Ketchel 216 0-0-0
Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, United States W KO 2 4 Wiki
~ time: 0:31 | referee: Johnny McAvoy ~
Ketchell was a sub for Lou Poster
1936-12-14 202¼ Eddie Simms 195 19-18-3
Public Auditorium, Cleveland, Ohio, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 0:26 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
Referee Donovan stopped the bout because "another blow might have resulted fatally." This is the first time Simms had been knocked out in 52 contests. (AP)
1936-10-09 202 Jorge Brescia 205½ 8-0-0
Hippodrome, New York City, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:12 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1936-09-22 203¼ Al Ettore 189¼ 55-7-2
Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 5 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:28 | referee: Joe McGuigan ~
Attendance: 40,407
1936-08-18 199¾ Jack Sharkey 197¼ 38-13-3
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:02 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1936-06-19 198 Max Schmeling 192 48-7-4
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States L KO 12 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:29 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
Louis was down in the 4th and 12th rounds.
The bout was delayed a day because of rain. The odds were 10-to-1 Louis would win, 4-to-1 he would win by kayo, and 2-to-1 Schmeling wouldn't be on his feet in the seventh round.
Louis's share of the gate was $139,483.50, and Schmeling's was a guaranteed $150,000, tax-free. (Tom O'Rourke died of a heart attack in Schmeling´s dressing room just before this bout.)
1936 Fight of the Year - Ring Magazine
1936-01-17 199¾ Charley Retzlaff 198½ 59-7-3
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 1 15 Wiki
~ time: 1:25 ~
Retzlaff down twice. Attendance: 16,486.
1935-12-13 200½ Paolino Uzcudun 207 50-16-3
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 4 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:32 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1935-09-24 198 Max Baer 210 40-8-0
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W KO 4 15 Wiki
~ time: 3:09 | referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1935-08-07 198½ King Levinsky 197¾ 67-24-5
Comiskey Park, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:21 | referee: Norm McGarrity ~
Description of Bout
1935-06-25 196 Primo Carnera 260½ 82-7-0
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W TKO 6 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:32 | referee: Arthur Donovan | judge: Charley Lynch | judge: Tommy Shortell ~
Carnera visited the canvas three times before becoming "utterly helpless, clinging to the top rope" when the bout was stopped. The New York Times.
1935-05-07 202 Gene Stanton 215 12-26-1
Kalamazoo, Michigan, United States W KO 3 6 Wiki
1935-05-03 199½ Willie Davies 193 0-7-0
Majestic Theatre, Peoria, Illinois, United States W KO 2 6 Wiki
1935-04-25 200 Roscoe Toles 193 2-4-0
IMA Auditorium, Flint, Michigan, United States W KO 6 6 Wiki
~ referee: Elmer McClelland ~
Records sometimes incorrectly list this bout as occurring April 27.
1935-04-22 198 Biff Bennett 200 4-8-1
Memorial Hall, Dayton, Ohio, United States W KO 1 6 Wiki
~ referee: Lefty Pretsch ~
Billed as an exhibition. Bennett was down for a 3-count and then down and out in 1:25.
1935-04-12 196½ Roy Lazer 192 39-2-2
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:26 | referee: Dave Miller ~
1935-03-29 196 Natie Brown 186 27-15-6
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Elmer McClelland ~
Brown down in first. (Description of Bout)
1935-03-08 200 Don 'Red' Barry 192 43-16-10
Dreamland Auditorium, San Francisco, California, United States W TKO 3 10 Wiki
~ referee: Toby Irwin ~
"Barry's downfall was certain from the time Louis landed his first blow until the referee, Tony Irwin, called a halt to the one-sided affair.
Two knockdowns in the second round and two more crushing tumbles in the third left Barry helpless before the savage rights and lefts that the negro whipped at him." AP
1935-02-21 196 Lee Ramage 193 29-8-4
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 2 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:11 | referee: Jess Kentworthy ~
1935-01-11 194½ Hans Birkie 189¼ 31-28-7
Duquesne Gardens, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 10 10 Wiki
~ time: 1:47 | referee: Red Robinson ~
1935-01-04 195 Patsy Perroni 187 36-8-2
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan, United States W PTS 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Sam Hennessey ~
Perroni down in 2d, 7th & 9th for nine-counts.
1934-12-14 192½ Lee Ramage 183½ 29-7-4
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 8 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:51 | referee: Phil Collins ~
Ramage's corner throws in the towel following his fourth knockdown of the round.
1934-11-30 195½ Charley Massera 181 32-9-4
Coliseum, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
1934-11-14 193½ Stanley Poreda 208¼ 28-9-0
Arcadia Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:40 ~
Poreda was given two counts before being knocked out of the ring and was given a count of "20." Joe recived $732, Poreda $488
1934-10-31 193 Jack O'Dowd 210 20-6-2
Arena Gardens, Detroit, Michigan, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
~ referee: Elmer McClelland ~
1934-10-24 190½ Art Sykes 181 4-5-0
Arcadia Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 8 10 Wiki
~ referee: Dave Miller ~
According to the notes or ring historian Bob Soderman, from the Chicago Tribune, "it was pretty even for six rounds, but in the 7th Joe started landing with heavy punches and softened Artie up for the knockout in round eight."
1934-09-26 188¾ Adolph Wiater 185 16-1-1
Arcadia Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W PTS 10 10 Wiki
1934-09-11 191 Al Delaney 180 14-1-0
Naval Armory, Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 4 10 Wiki
~ referee: Elmer McClelland ~
Al Delaney fought under the name Alex Borchuk. According to THE RING, November 1934, page 62, "Borshuck (sic)..had the better of the going until the fourth round, when he was floored three times, and (his) Manager Jack Beaton threw in the towel."
1934-08-27 187¾ Buck Everett 183 39-16-3
Marigold Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 2 8 Wiki
1934-08-13 188 Jack Kranz 187 13-0-0
Marigold Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W PTS 8 8 Wiki
There were no knockdowns. According to the Chicago Tribune, it was a very close fight.
1934-07-30 190¾ Larry Udell 173 21-8-3
Marigold Gardens, Chicago, Illinois, United States W TKO 2 8 Wiki
1934-07-12 190½ Willie Davies 186 0-5-0
Bacon's Arena, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 3 6 Wiki
~ referee: Dave Miller ~
1934-07-04 181 Jack Kracken 175 10-6-0
Bacon's Arena, Chicago, Illinois, United States W KO 1 6 Wiki
~ referee: Dave Miller ~
"Shortly after the start of the fight the Detroit Negro sent Kracken down for a count of nine with a left hook to the jaw. When Kracken gained his feet, Louis knocked him through the ropes and into the lap of Joe Triner, chairman of the Illinois Athletic commission. Kracken crawled back into the ring at the count of 14, but Referee Dave Miller stopped the bout." Source: INS report
boxer: Gene Tunney
Global ID 9046
sex male
birth date 1897-05-25
death date 1978-11-07
division light heavyweight
nationality United States
alias The Fighting Marine
residence Greenwich, Connecticut, United States
birth place New York, NY, USA
birth name James Joseph Tunney
stance orthodox
height 6′ 0″
reach 77“
won 82 (KO 48) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 87
biography Wiki Biography
bouts
Lb St Kg date AscendingDescending print
page: 1 | 2 »
date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
1928-07-26 192 Tom Heeney 203½ 32-8-5
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W TKO 11 15 Wiki
~ time: 2:52 | referee: Eddie Forbes | judge: Charles F. Mathison | judge: Tom Flynn ~
World Heavyweight Title
Former Champion Jack Dempsey was in Heeney's corner. Tunney announced his retirement from boxing a few days later.
1927-09-22 189½ Jack Dempsey 192½ 66-5-11
Soldiers Field, Chicago, Illinois, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Dave Barry | judge: George Lytton | judge: Sheldon Clark ~
World Heavyweight Title
Tunney down in the seventh, Dempsey down in the eighth. Famous for The Long Count. (For some time afterward, whenever Barry was refereeing a bout, derisive fans would start a unison count between rounds, shouting one to 14--based upon Dempsey's belief that Tunney had been down for 14 seconds, not nine.)
The following January Dempsey announced his retirement because of "trouble" he was having with his left eye muscle. In April 1928 he declared he would not make a comeback--not even for $50 million dollars. He had made enough money, he told the press, and his health was still good: "I can still walk around and tell the time."
1926-09-23 189½ Jack Dempsey 190 65-4-11
Sesquicentennial Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W UD 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Tommy Reilly | judge: Frank Brown | judge: Mike Bernstein ~
World Heavyweight Title
Attendance: 120,557
1925-12-29 Dan O'Dowd 14-25-4
Saint Petersburg, Florida, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
1925-11-18 188 Johnny Risko 192 16-8-1
Public Auditorium, Cleveland, Ohio, United States W NWS 12 12 Wiki
"Tunney, shortly after the beginning of the fight, injured his right hand with a blow to Risko's iron jaw. Later in the battle he directed his left against the same obstacle, and when the bout ended both of his hands were swollen. Risko won the first and third round of the fight. Four were even and in the remaining six, Tunney's margin was so great that there could be no question of the decision." (Coshocton Tribune)
1925-09-25 186 Bartley Madden 189 35-22-5
Indoor Hockey Arena, Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
"The end came after a little more than two minutes of fighting when Tunney backed Madden into a corner, gained his opening with a left jab and then crossed a crushing right to Madden's jaw," (AP) putting Madden down for nine. A left hook to the jaw then sent Madden down for the count.
1925-07-03 186 Jack Herman 188 7-10-0
Kansas City, Missouri, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
1925-06-05 181½ Tommy Gibbons 179 94-4-2
Polo Grounds, New York City, New York, United States W KO 12 15 Wiki
1925-03-27 181 Harry Greb 167½ 234-18-17
St. Paul Auditorium, Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: George Barton ~
"Tunney gave Greb as thorough a beating as he has ever received. So completely was Greb outclassed and outfought in six of the ten rounds that he resorted to a defensive fight after the third and thereafter was guilty of persistent holding and stalling varied only by rare flashes of offensive fighting, which Tunney quickly terminated by a devastating attack. Tunney concentrated his fire almost entirely on Greb's heart and body, landing with deadly accuracy and telling effect. After a flashy start, Greb went on the defensive and let entire rounds go by without making more than a weak show of attack, without landing a decisive punch, even on those rare occasions when he undertook to do the leading." (Associated Press)
1924-12-08 178½ Jeff Smith 166½ 105-26-4
New Orleans, Louisiana, United States W NWS 15 15 Wiki
American Light Heavyweight Title
Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. Tunney won decisively. Smith knocked down in the 12th round.
1924-11-10 Buddy McHale 0-1-0
Memphis, Tennessee, United States W KO 2 8 Wiki
1924-10-27 Harry Foley 14-9-2
Memphis, Tennessee, United States W KO 1 8 Wiki
1924-09-27 Ray Neuman 4-6-7
Ebensburg, Pennsylvania, United States W PTS 10 10 Wiki
This fight has often been omitted from Tunney's record, but was reported by the Pittsburgh Post. It was a very slow and dull affair. Tunney was fined by the Pennsylvania Boxing Commission for "pulling punches."
1924-09-17 175 Harry Greb 166 225-18-15
Olympic Arena, Cleveland, Ohio, United States D NWS 10 10 Wiki
~ referee: Matt Hinkel ~
Referee stated he would have ruled a draw;
Lima News (AP) called it a draw, but reported that many ringsiders, including those from Pittsburgh thought Tunney had the edge;
Lincoln State Journal stated majority of ringside reporters had it a draw;
Zanesville Signal (INS wire) gave edge to Greb 5-4-1; Oakland Tribune said majority thought it a draw, although Tunney "possibly entitled to the shade";
Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune (United News wire) said newspapermen gave Greb "all but the tenth round"
1924-08-18 Joe Lohman 15-27-12
Fairmont Arena, Columbus, Ohio, United States W TKO 8 12 Wiki
~ referee: Matt Hinkel ~
Lohman went down six times before the referee stopped the bout.
1924-07-24 173¼ Georges Carpentier 173 86-13-5
Polo Grounds, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 15 15 Wiki
~ time: 0:14 ~
Attendance: 30,000. Tunney had the better of the fight until the tenth when he gave Carpentier a frightful beating, knocking him down three times. Georges fought back heroically, but near the end of the 14th round he went down and the count was at six when the bell rang. Carpentier came out for the 15th but the referee soon stopped it because the Frenchman was in no condition to continue. There was some question that Tunney landed a low blow to floor Carpentier in the 14th, but it was reported that privately-taken films showed no indication of a foul.
1924-06-26 183 Erminio Spalla 191 32-5-3
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ referee: Eddie Purdy | judge: Tommy Shortell | judge: George Kelly ~
1924-03-17 176 Jimmy Delaney 171 33-3-4
Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
Tunney won the newspaper decision." (Nevada State Journal and Chicago Tribune.
1924-02-15 177½ Martin Burke 182¾ 31-17-6
Coliseum Arena, New Orleans, Louisiana, United States W PTS 15 15 Wiki
1924-01-24 Ray Thompson 0-2-0
West Palm Beach, Florida, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
1924-01-15 178 Harry Foley 189½ 13-6-2
Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post.
1923-12-10 175 Harry Greb 171½ 213-16-15
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W PTS 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Lou Magnolia ~
American Light Heavyweight Title
The concensus was that Tunney won 9 rounds, Greb four, and two were even. Tunney mounted a body attack that allowed him to dominate the fight from rounds 8 to 14. The first seven rounds were evenly fought and Greb rallied strongly to win the 15th. Greb landed many more punches but Tunney's were harder and cleaner. There were no knockdowns.
1923-07-31 174 Dan O'Dowd 175 12-15-2
Queensboro Stadium, Long Island City, New York, United States W PTS 12 12 Wiki
1923-05-16 175 Jimmy Delaney 21-1-1
Coliseum, Chicago, Illinois, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
"Gene Tunney, American light heavy weight champion, had a shade the better of Jim Delaney, of St. Paul, Minn., in a ten-round no-decision contest here, in the opinion of newspaper men at the ringside. Tunney injured his right hand in the second round and was unable to use it effectively for the remaining eight rounds. For the last three rounds he did not even attempt to punch with it. Physicians who examined (Tunney's) hand after the fight said it had been badly fractured." (Indianapolis Star)
1923-05-07 Jack Clifford 3-21-0
Detroit, Michigan, United States W TKO 8 10 Wiki
Clifford "was stopped at the end of the eighth on account of a bad cut over the left eye." (Appleton Post Crescent)
1923-02-23 174 Harry Greb 165½ 206-14-15
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W PTS 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Patsy Haley ~
American Light Heavyweight Title
Most experts thought that Tunney had an edge by his cleaner blows. Regis Welsh of the Pittsburgh Post thought that Greb was robbed. Greb was the aggressor and Tunney the counterpuncher. Greb was made to observe the rules closely and this undoubtedly curbed his usual free-wheeling style. The fight was undoubtedly closely contested.
1923-02-03 176 Chuck Wiggins 174 34-19-8
Commonwealth S.C., New York City, New York, United States W PTS 12 12 Wiki
1923-01-29 Jack Renault 21-5-2
Arena, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States NC NC 4 8 Wiki
~ referee: Pep O'Brien ~
Referee O'Brien stopped the fight becuase neither man was trying (Chicago Tribune).
1922-11-29 178½ Charley Weinert 184¾ 54-15-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 4 15 Wiki
1922-11-03 178 Jack Hanlon 171 2-12-2
Rink S.C., Brooklyn, New York, United States W KO 1 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:22 ~
Tunney broke Hanlon's jaw.
1922-10-27 176 Chuck Wiggins 174 34-18-7
Mechanics Building, Boston, Massachusetts, United States W PTS 10 10 Wiki
1922-08-24 173 Tommy Loughran 163 24-2-2
Baker Bowl, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W NWS 8 8 Wiki
Tunney won the newspaper decision according to the New York Times. Loughran was knocked down in the 1st round by a right hand.
1922-08-17 176 Charley Weinert 184 53-14-2
Broad A.C., Newark, New Jersey, United States W NWS 12 12 Wiki
(New York Times)
1922-08-04 174 Ray Thompson 180 0-0-0
Casino A.C., Long Branch, New Jersey, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
Sometimes incorrectly recorded as occurring April 8.
1922-07-07 174 Fay Keiser 167 17-17-4
Arena, Rockaway Beach, New York, United States W PTS 12 12 Wiki
1922-05-23 174½ Harry Greb 162¼ 193-14-15
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States L UD 15 15 Wiki
~ referee: Billy McPartland | judge: Tommy Shortell | judge: Elmer Hurley ~
American Light Heavyweight Title
Bout broadcast on radio by KDKA
Pittsburgh Post reported that Tunney fought extremely well. He made a great fight for 10 rounds, but Greb set a pace in the last five that overwhelmed Gene. Tunney's eyebrows were cut and he bled at the nose and mouth. Greb fought his usual fight, all over his man, and chopping him up. Tunney fought Greb much better than Tommy Gibbons had done in New York.
1922-04-10 176 Jack Burke 176 11-4-1
Motor Square Garden, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 9 10 Wiki
Burke also down twice in the eighth round.
1922-03-03 174 Fay Keiser 170 15-15-3
Grand Rapids, Michigan, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
Tunney won the newspaper decision. (Lima News and the Pittsburgh Post)
1922-02-14 175 Whitey Wenzel 165 26-21-11
Ice Palace, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 4 8 Wiki
1922-02-11 175 Jack Clifford 182 1-18-0
Rink S.C., Brooklyn, New York, United States W TKO 6 12 Wiki
1922-01-13 172 Battling Levinsky 176½ 168-43-34
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W PTS 12 12 Wiki
American Light Heavyweight Championship
1921-12-22 175½ Eddie O'Hare 167½ 7-2-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W KO 6 8 Wiki
O'Hare died from an accident during a holiday in Maine shortly after this fight
1921-10-25 176 Wolf Larsen 173½ 3-2-0
Pioneer S.C., New York City, New York, United States W TKO 7 12 Wiki
~ time: 1:35 | referee: Artie McGovern ~
1921-10-14 178 Jack Burke 184½ 5-3-1
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 3 8 Wiki
1921-09-26 Herbert Crossley 27-5-6
Dyckman Oval, New York City, New York, United States W PTS 7 7 Wiki
Fight cut short from 15 rounds, to fit the time schedule
1921-08-18 176 Eddie Josephs 178 3-4-1
Sisco Field, Staten Island, New York, United States W PTS 12 12 Wiki
1921-08-04 178 Martin Burke 175½ 18-9-2
Dyckman Oval, New York City, New York, United States W PTS 10 10 Wiki
1921-07-02 185 Soldier Jones 175 10-10-0
Boyle's Thirty Acres, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 7 8 Wiki
~ referee: Danny Sullivan ~
Tunney "appeared off-form and unimpressive". Jones was "a slow moving and wild-swinging novice without any apparent knowledge of boxing" (New York Times). This bout was a preliminary to the Dempsey - Carpentier fight.
1921-06-28 Johnny Ambrose 0-1-0
Pioneer A.C., New York City, New York, United States W KO 1 10 Wiki
~ time: 2:45 ~
1920-12-07 Leo Houck 129-30-20
4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
(New York Times) Houck was floored in the 7th round.
1920-11-25 175 Leo Houck 173 129-29-20
Olympia A.C., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W NWS 6 6 Wiki
Tunney won according to the Philadelphia Record.
1920-10-25 Paul Samson Koerner 7-4-1
Paterson, New Jersey, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post.
1920-10-22 Ray Smith 3-4-0
Camden, New Jersey, United States W TKO 2 8 Wiki
1920-06-28 Ole Anderson 7-9-5
4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 3 8 Wiki
1920-06-07 Jeff Madden 1-8-1
4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 2 8 Wiki
1920-04-09 Jack Clifford 1-13-0
Johnson City, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
1920-04-05 175 KO Sullivan 170 2-6-1
1st Regiment Armory, Newark, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 8 Wiki
1920-03-04 Ed Kinley 1-7-1
City A.C., Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W KO 5 8 Wiki
1920-02-02 Al Roberts 4-2-0
1st Regiment Armory, Newark, New Jersey, United States W KO 8 8 Wiki
1920-01-26 Jim Monahan 0-0-0
4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W TKO 1 8 Wiki
~ time: 2:50 ~
1920-01-20 Bud Nelson 0-0-0
Schuetzen Park, Bayonne, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 8 Wiki
1920-01-01 Whitey Allen 4-8-0
Schuetzen Park, Bayonne, New Jersey, United States W KO 2 8 Wiki
1919-12-29 175 Bob Pearce 166 0-0-0
4th Regiment Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W KO 2 8 Wiki
1919-12-16 Dan O'Dowd 0-2-0
Schuetzen Park, Bayonne, New Jersey, United States W NWS 8 8 Wiki
Newspaper decision from Jack Kincaid (New York area newspapers).
1919-04-26 Ted Jamieson 1-1-0
Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10 Wiki
Service fight. Tunney won the light-heavyweight championship of the American Expeditionary Forces. Report from Stars and Stripes (Mike DeLisa).
1919-04-14 KO Sullivan 2-5-1
Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10 Wiki
Service bout. Semifinal for American Expeditionary Forces light-heavyweight championship. Report from Stars and Stripes (Mike DeLisa).
1919-03-31 Dare Lewis 0-0-0
Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France W KO 3 0 Wiki
Service bout. Report from Stars and Stripes (Mike DeLisa).
1919-01-27 Bob Martin 0-0-0
Paris, Paris, France W PTS 4 4 Wiki
Service bout. From Stars and Stripes (Mike DeLisa).
1918-12-20 Tommy Gavigan 18-11-7
Romorantin, Loir-et-Cher, France D PTS 10 10 Wiki
Service bout, date uncertain.
1918-12-10 Howard Morrow 10-12-6
Romorantin, Loir-et-Cher, France W KO 6 0 Wiki
Service bout, date uncertain.
1918-12-05 Victor K O Marchand 1-4-0
Paris, Paris, France W KO 2 0 Wiki
Service bout, date uncertain.
1918-11-20 Johnny Newton 6-2-2
Romorantin, Loir-et-Cher, France W KO 6 0 Wiki
Service bout, date uncertain.
1918-11-01 Hank Werhl 0-1-0
Romorantin, Loir-et-Cher, France W KO 6 0 Wiki
Service bout, date uncertain.
1918-07-08 Young Guerini 3-15-2
Armory A.A., Jersey City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 8 Wiki
1918-01-15 Hugh Weir 2-1-1
New York City, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
Although January 15, 1918 is the date usually given for this fight, it may have occurred previously or outside New York because of the expiration of the Frawley Boxing Law.
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1917-12-28 Joe Borrell 46-20-10
New York City, New York, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
This fight may have been held previously or outside New York because the Frawley Boxing Law had expired previously and only benefit programs were held in New York after its expiration.
1917-10-02 K O Jaffe 0-8-1
New York City, New York, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
This date and city were first given in the 1957 edition of the Ring Record Book.
1917-02-09 Victor Dahl 3-2-0
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W NWS 10 10 Wiki
Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).
1916-12-29 Sailor Wolfe 1-1-2
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W KO 2 10 Wiki
Date first given in the 1956 edition of The Ring Record Book.
1916-12-22 George Lahey 0-3-0
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W PTS 6 6 Wiki
The Van Every articles in Self-Defense Magazine state that this was Tunney's fifth fight, and his second with Lahey, but it came a little later in Gene's career than that, according to Paul Zabala (source Brooklyn Eagle).
1916-12-15 Young Sharkey 0-0-0
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W KO 6 10 Wiki
Date first given in the 1956 edition of The Ring Record Book.
1916-12-08 Young Guerini 3-14-2
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W TKO 8 10 Wiki
Reported in the Brooklyn Eagle, according to Paul Zabala.
1916-07-21 K O Jaffe 0-2-0
New Polo A.C., New York City, New York, United States D NWS 10 10 Wiki
According to the Brooklyn Eagle, this fight was a draw. Ed Van Every's articles in Self-Defense Magazine states that this was Tunney's fourth fight and a six-rounder. However, it occurred in the summer of 1916 and was probably his fifth fight. It is possible that there was an earlier 6-round fight with Jaffe, as mentioned in the Van Every articles.
1915-12-11 Billy Rowe 0-0-0
Fairmont A.C., Bronx, New York, United States W NWS 6 6 Wiki
This was Tunney's sixth fight, according to the Van Every articles in Self-Defense Magazine, but probably was the fourth. It occurred at the Fairmont A.C. on a Saturday night, but the exact date needs verification. The name of Tunney's opponent may have been "Rohe," not "Rowe," as given here, but this is uncertain. He was "a pretty big figure in the semi-pro baseball world around 1915 and 1916."
1915-08-28 George Lahey 0-2-0
Fairmont A.C., Bronx, New York, United States W KO 2 6 Wiki
This third fight for Tunney was a six-rounder fought at the Fairmont on "one hot summer's night," according to the series of article by Ed Van Every in Self-Defense Magazine, but the date needs verification.
1915-08-07 Battling Genrimo 0-0-0
Village A.C., New York City, New York, United States W KO 3 10 Wiki
Held on stage at Minor's Theater (Village A.C.). Battling Genrimo (not Geronimo) was "known at the Battling Barber of Hoboken..He was a wild swinging boy of husky stature and absolutely devoid of science." (quote from series of articles by Ed Van Every in Self-Defense Magazine.) The exact date is not known, but it would have been a Saturday evening in August.
1915-07-03 Bobby Dawson 1-3-0
Sharkey A.C., New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 10 Wiki
Said to be Tunney's first fight in a series of articles by Ed Van Every in Self-Defense Magazine, beginning with Volume 2, No. 6 (October 1928).
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Good example when thinking of this fight is Billy Conn that was giving Louis a boxing lesson but for some reason got it in to his head he could stand toe to toe with louis. Gene Tunney i believe would do the same thing only would not stand toe to toe pluse he had a better reach adn was about 20 pounds heavier then Conn and had more power to give louis a harder time just some facts to add to the post to give you a good idea.
The thing i think most people will find is that Tunney is pretty underrated because he is mostly remembered for the long count. But he was a great champion with wins over Greb and Dempsey he was more then what people give him credit for.
The last one that i posted is the Billy Conn fight to get a good view on how to beat Louis.
And that is all i have so far see you tomorrow i am going to bed.
Surprised no one has a say on who would win the fight i thought it be a good match up maybe i was wrong.
Tunney would win the sameway Conn would of won in the 1st fight with Louis by using constant movement and not allowing Louis to get set i would say Tunney wins 15 round decision but he would have some shaky moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I'm not too surprised. Not everyone is fast to respond, and neither is really interested in the old-timers. You ought to ask for greynotsoold's opinion on this one he know's the two fighters as well as anyone on here.
Anyways here's my take on them. We all know Joe Louis for his hard punching, especially in close. The problem is that Louis liked to get set for his punches, and consequently he'd at a disadvantage against the fleetness of Tunney's footwork. I remember reading in book, that Eddie Futch sparred with Joe Louis before Joe was the champ. He noticed that Joe only would throw a punch when his feet were set. Eddie took advantage of this and being a lot lighter than Louis he was able to get in and out to land his punches before Louis could get his feet set. Louis for the life of him could never figure out why he couldn't hit Futch. It's been a few years since I read it, if anyone here is interested in looking it up I think the name of the book was "Cornermen".
Gene Tunney is without a doubt one of the smartest boxers there was. He didn't need to rely on an outside opinion when it came to figuring out his opponent's style, where as Blackburn had to make a lot of the adjustments for Louis. I think that from watching some of Joe Louis's fight's that Gene would most likely be able to make the same observation that Futch realized. Gene Tunney with his great legs fighting Joe at 188 lbs, he wouldn't have a problem catching Louis before Louis could get set.
On another note, Gene Tunney had a terrific right hand comparable to even the Brown Bomber's. I remember on a few occasions that Joe was stunned and almost confused after taking a right hand on the jaw. It also happens that the right hand is one of most natural counters of Gene Tunney, especially after he really tried to cultivate it after he watched the Demspey get shaken by a right hand by Carpentier. Gene Tunney had a clever fast jab, he could land his right to the head and body while placing his shots where they mattered most. His left hook to the liver were all effective when he put it all together.
Looking at the size difference between Tunney and Louis, you'd think that this plus all things considered would make Tunney have to hustle. He'd have to if he was going to beat a dangerous puncher like Louis. Louis may have looked slow especially against a boxer like Conn, but if you give him one moment that could be all he'd need and the last thing you'd hear is 10! Joe Louis had the reflexes, and was a great counterpuncher that knew just as well as Tunney on where to place his punches. Tunney has proven that his willpower and physical condition can also pull himself to his feet when he fought Dempsey.
Despite all that I said, I still favor Tunney to win. This is assuming that you got the Gene Tunney that fought that awesome night in Philidalephia to fight the best Joe Louis.
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I'm not too surprised. Not everyone is fast to respond, and neither is really interested in the old-timers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
I don't agree with that comment at all im very interested in the history of the sport and so is alot of other people on this site its just this board is not very active if this was on the main board this would get plenty of replys.