Mayweather is better than Ali ????
I'm better than Ali - Mayweather
Mayweather is regarded as a modern-day boxing great
Floyd Mayweather has stepped up his war of words with Ricky Hatton by claiming to be the greatest boxer ever.
The unbeaten American welterweight insists he is even better than legends Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali.
The 30-year-old, who fights Hatton in Las Vegas on 8 December, said: "I can quit today and be known as the best fighter that ever lived.
"I respect what Robinson and Ali did for the sport. But I am the greatest, and this is my time."
Hatton, who has held world titles at both welterweight and light-welterweight, is also undefeated and lists Jose Luis Castillo and Kostya Tszyu as his most notable victims.
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Mayweather isn't even close to the greatest of all time. That is all in his head
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But Mayweather, who has beaten the likes of Castillo, Oscar de la Hoya, DeMarcus Corley, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell, has dismissed the Briton as "dirty" and one-dimensional.
"I didn't get the chance to watch him against Kostya Tszyu," said Mayweather.
"I already knew what it was - punch, hold, punch, hold. From what I've seen, it was extremely dirty.
"And that's what I'm saying - that Ricky Hatton is a very dirty fighter."
Re: Mayweather is better than Ali ????
He's the greatest of his time...but not all time.
Re: Mayweather is better than Ali ????
It's close between Calzaghe and Mayweather as the greatest of the last 10 years
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Originally Posted by Nium
It's close between Calzaghe and Mayweather as the greatest of the last 10 years
What about Rjj?
IMo Mayweather is a great. He truely is, but better than SRR? I think not? Greater than Ali? He's close but i don't think so.
Floyd has never entered the Ring against a great opponent and been viewed as an underdog. That is not his fault, it is more likely to be viewed as unfortunate that he wasn't a welter of the 80's 90's.
The Ricky fight will tell a lot for me personally.
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I honestly can not even sit and bother to get into this one...there is just tooo much to pick apart on it.....There is a strong case resume wise Mayweather is not the best of the last decade.....Not that he is not the most skilled guy out there right now but IMO there are other guys who have fought better opponents and have come up with wins....
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A Hatton win, and lets say maybe a win in a unification about against Cotto would have him on the cusp of guys like Ali, SRL. To me Robinson is on a whole another level and is the sports greatest ever
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A Hatton win, and lets say maybe a win in a unification about against Cotto would have him on the cusp of guys like Ali, SRL. To me Robinson is on a whole another level and is the sports greatest ever
I have to disagree....He would be on the cusp of guys like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, etc.....He would have to accomplish much much more to be in the Ali, Robinson catagories.....Leonard and that lot were damn good fighters and ATG's do not get me wrong...but Ali, Robinson you have to understand have a resume that is outragous.....Look at the ATG's they have faced and beaten...in the era they did it in....Floyd has some good fighters on his resume and he has been dominate don't get me wrong but he also has some weak opp on his resume that he targeted instead of making the big fights...TBH he has not accomplished as much as Oscar did in the ring....I don't know why people often let the undefeated mark get in the way of things....along with the 0 people seem to forget to factor in quality nof opp, stage in the career they beat certain guys etc....
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
A Hatton win, and lets say maybe a win in a unification about against Cotto would have him on the cusp of guys like Ali, SRL. To me Robinson is on a whole another level and is the sports greatest ever
I have to disagree....He would be on the cusp of guys like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, etc.....He would have to accomplish much much more to be in the Ali, Robinson catagories.....Leonard and that lot were damn good fighters and ATG's do not get me wrong...but Ali, Robinson you have to understand have a resume that is outragous.....Look at the ATG's they have faced and beaten...in the era they did it in....Floyd has some good fighters on his resume and he has been dominate don't get me wrong but he also has some weak opp on his resume that he targeted instead of making the big fights...TBH he has not accomplished as much as Oscar did in the ring....I don't know why people often let the undefeated mark get in the way of things....along with the 0 people seem to forget to factor in quality nof opp, stage in the career they beat certain guys etc....
I should have clarified better, Ray Robinson to me is untouchable and Mayweather could unify every title at Welter and beat Kelly Pavlik and still couldnt take Robinsons crown.
Unless he does something even more remarkable I cant see Floyd being the best ever. Of course I exercise the right to change my opinion based on the actions of the next few years.
But I do believe he has more than a legitimate shot of surpassing Ali and Leonard. Ali was the 2nd best Heavyweight and its hard to take a 1 division fighter and proclaim him the best fighter ever. Robinson dominated so many weight classes and had so many great battles and one hell of a streak going.
Leonard was more like Robinson in how he followed in his footsteps.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
A Hatton win, and lets say maybe a win in a unification about against Cotto would have him on the cusp of guys like Ali, SRL. To me Robinson is on a whole another level and is the sports greatest ever
I have to disagree....He would be on the cusp of guys like Leonard, Hagler, Duran, etc.....He would have to accomplish much much more to be in the Ali, Robinson catagories.....Leonard and that lot were damn good fighters and ATG's do not get me wrong...but Ali, Robinson you have to understand have a resume that is outragous.....Look at the ATG's they have faced and beaten...in the era they did it in....Floyd has some good fighters on his resume and he has been dominate don't get me wrong but he also has some weak opp on his resume that he targeted instead of making the big fights...TBH he has not accomplished as much as Oscar did in the ring....I don't know why people often let the undefeated mark get in the way of things....along with the 0 people seem to forget to factor in quality nof opp, stage in the career they beat certain guys etc....
I should have clarified better, Ray Robinson to me is untouchable and Mayweather could unify every title at Welter and beat Kelly Pavlik and still couldnt take Robinsons crown.
Unless he does something even more remarkable I cant see Floyd being the best ever. Of course I exercise the right to change my opinion based on the actions of the next few years.
But I do believe he has more than a legitimate shot of surpassing Ali and Leonard. Ali was the 2nd best Heavyweight and its hard to take a 1 division fighter and proclaim him the best fighter ever. Robinson dominated so many weight classes and had so many great battles and one hell of a streak going.
Leonard was more like Robinson in how he followed in his footsteps.
Fair enough..but again I judge on comp etc.....That is very important to me as it should be for all people who judge fighters as a whole....EG- IMO take a WW who has a 40-0 record and won his titles against weak opp or guys on their way down then take one 37-3 who won a title and his 3 losses came against lets say Ray Leonard by SD, Felix Trinidad by MD and Thomas Hearns by SD.....I would be more impressed with the guy who had the title and lost 3 very close fights to 3 very good fighters......
Floyds best wins are over, Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya and Judah.....
Leonard has wins over...Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, ....
Compare the quality fighter that each beat and what stage in their career they were at when each man beat them....
PBF- The Castillo many think Floyd lost to in one of their bouts...Judah we know the story on him....and He did not dominate Oscar....
Leonard made Duran quit, KO'd Hearns, Destroyed Benitez, and the Hagler fight well that is a toss up IMO on who won...But each of these guys were higher quality comp then Floyds best wins...
I am not bashing Floyd or saying he sucks because he is a great fighter I just think he has a loooong way to go before being considered among the elite HE claims to be better then....Thats why I said he is more on the cusp of Leonard......IMO at WW he would be beaten soundly by Robinson!!!!....Robinson did more at MW past his best then Floyd has.....
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
A Hatton win, and lets say maybe a win in a unification about against Cotto would have him on the cusp of guys like Ali, SRL. To me Robinson is on a whole another level and is the sports greatest ever
Like we were saying on the other thread....
He hasn't fought an p4p fighters and he won't have until december 8th and then possibly Miguel Cotto.
It's a bad era for Floyd because he doesn't have the competition that the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard had and Ali had.
Talent wise he's definately up there......almost a perfect fighter. Opposition wise is where he struggles and that's not all his fault.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I am not bashing Floyd or saying he sucks because he is a great fighter I just think he has a loooong way to go before being considered among the elite HE claims to be better then....Thats why I said he is more on the cusp of Leonard......IMO at WW he would be beaten soundly by Robinson!!!!....Robinson did more at MW past his best then Floyd has.....
Agreed no one touches Robinson at Welter, not Leonard or Mayweather
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Originally Posted by Nium
It's close between Calzaghe and Mayweather as the greatest of the last 10 years
What about Rjj?
Being schooled by Griffin, KTFD by Del Valle, barely beating Harding and Tarver, looking awful against a crying Gonzales, KTFO by Tarver, etc?
Roy was like superman at supermiddle, though
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Originally Posted by Nium
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Nium
It's close between Calzaghe and Mayweather as the greatest of the last 10 years
What about Rjj?
Being schooled by Griffin, KTFD by Del Valle, barely beating Harding and Tarver, looking awful against a crying Gonzales, KTFO by Tarver, etc?
Roy was like superman at supermiddle, though
Jones had some troubles but he still put Griffin down and was on the vergo of a KO win then Griffin acted up and got a gift DQ and in rematch Jones destroyed him so whats your point ??
That was flash knockdown against Del Valle other than that he won every round.
Jones had injury to his bicep in the 2nd in the Harding fight when he blocked an overhand ;eft thats a fact.
He had to lose 25 pounds in 2 weeks against Tarver.
He knocked down Gonzalez x2 and won every round whats your point ??
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I am not bashing Floyd or saying he sucks because he is a great fighter I just think he has a loooong way to go before being considered among the elite HE claims to be better then....Thats why I said he is more on the cusp of Leonard......IMO at WW he would be beaten soundly by Robinson!!!!....Robinson did more at MW past his best then Floyd has.....
Agreed no one touches Robinson at Welter, not Leonard or Mayweather
Hearns would.
Re: Mayweather is better than Ali ????
Ali wouldn't even be in top ten all time P4P list if he would of lost 2-1 to Norton, plus he should of lost Young fight and a few others were controversial like Shavers and Doug Jones fight.
