What are Hattons & Floyds faults

Okay guys... Time to pick holes :D
Lets keeps this as a stictly pugulistic critique ;)

In the ring, what are the faults (if any) that you find in the way theach both men conduct themselves. What weaknesses do you feel are likely to be exposed come december 8th.


Me personally, i have noticed that when Ricky protects his body he has a flaw (not a bad habbit) of using his gloves and arms rather than just tucking in his elbows... This and the few alarming winces Hatton has made when he has bit hit to the body convinces me that he cant take it there at all.

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Originally Posted by JimBoogie

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Good luck with that, let us know if you find one.

Hatton's faults are that in the 2 fights previous to Castillo he tired down the stretch. As that hasn't happened before I'm willing to put that down to poor conditioning for the Collazo fight and the fact he was ill during the Urango fight.

He's also a bleeder. Cuts easily, but here's hoping that can be avoided here.

If you're talking about this fight...then speed should be an issue.

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Originally Posted by JimBoogie

I'll think of some Mayweather faults latter ::**

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Good luck with that, let us know if you find one.

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His mouth.

His in ring cockiness. I have to say that I laughed my arse of in the DLH fight when he smiled at Oscar and let his guard down for a second, Oscar jumped on him and Floyd shit himself. If he gets cocky like that against Hatton, he'll be made to pay. He has to hold his attention on the job at hand.

In the ring...

Hatton:
Hattons main flaw in the past was actually as a result of his binge lifestyle outside of thr ing. The collazo, Urango and to some extent Maussa fights all indicated that Ricky's drinking and eating out of training had affected his stamina badly. The Castillo fight did show some rectification of this problem but it wil have to be fully repaired when he meets Floyd to be in with a chance.
Cuts; Ricky has a famed (but in my opinion exaggerated) problem with cuts. The surgery should hopefully prevent this weakness being a problem
Defensively Hatton is not as gifted as he is offensively. A problem when in the ring against one of the sharpest counterpunchers in the sport. Has showed improvement and intelligently adopted a cage defence in training. In my opinion he cannot afford to sway back or weave against Mayweather, he must block.

Mayweather:
It is difficult to find fault with the worlds best pound for pound fighter.
However when forced one can identify his hand as a weakness, his lack of finishing power above 140 and recently a penchant for laying on the ropes.
Mayweather is great, bordering on ATG for me, but to beat the Hitman he will need both hands, even if he hurts the hand an decides to run and pot shot i feel he's in trouble as he will need to keep ricky off him and for that he needs two hands...
The lack of finishing power over 140 is also an issue. We saw him finish Gatti with pomp but then we saw him on the defensive for 12 rounds against Baldomir and De la Hoya and tangling only occasionally with Judah. An greater ability to bang would have made these fights a lot easier for the Pretty boy, but imo it's not there above 140. Should Hatton have prepared for this fight correctly (as i assume he has.) he will be on the attack for 12 rounds as fast as humanly possible. Mayweather may find it difficult to dissuade Hatton's onslaught when big puncher Kostya Tszyu could not.
And finally...he did it vs. Zab, vs Baldomir a bit and a lot vs. DLH. But he MUST not lay on the ropes and back into corners against Hatton. I don't think i have to explain why...

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

In the ring...

Hatton:
Hattons main flaw in the past was actually as a result of his binge lifestyle outside of thr ing. The collazo, Urango and to some extent Maussa fights all indicated that Ricky's drinking and eating out of training had affected his stamina badly. The Castillo fight did show some rectification of this problem but it wil have to be fully repaired when he meets Floyd to be in with a chance.
Cuts; Ricky has a famed (but in my opinion exaggerated) problem with cuts. The surgery should hopefully prevent this weakness being a problem
Defensively Hatton is not as gifted as he is offensively. A problem when in the ring against one of the sharpest counterpunchers in the sport. Has showed improvement and intelligently adopted a cage defence in training. In my opinion he cannot afford to sway back or weave against Mayweather, he must block.

Mayweather:
It is difficult to find fault with the worlds best pound for pound fighter.
However when forced one can identify his hand as a weakness, his lack of finishing power above 140 and recently a penchant for laying on the ropes.
Mayweather is great, bordering on ATG for me, but to beat the Hitman he will need both hands, even if he hurts the hand an decides to run and pot shot i feel he's in trouble as he will need to keep ricky off him and for that he needs two hands...
The lack of finishing power over 140 is also an issue. We saw him finish Gatti with pomp but then we saw him on the defensive for 12 rounds against Baldomir and De la Hoya and tangling only occasionally with Judah. An greater ability to bang would have made these fights a lot easier for the Pretty boy, but imo it's not there above 140. Should Hatton have prepared for this fight correctly (as i assume he has.) he will be on the attack for 12 rounds as fast as humanly possible. Mayweather may find it difficult to dissuade Hatton's onslaught when big puncher Kostya Tszyu could not.
And finally...he did it vs. Zab, vs Baldomir a bit and a lot vs. DLH. But he MUST not lay on the ropes and back into corners against Hatton. I don't think i have to explain why...

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CC Donny, you've pretty much got it spot on there mate.

CC Returned my man Ono :)

CC donny pritty much cover both guys well but i don't think Floyd lacks pop in his punches he just seems reluctant to jump on the other guy in case he gets caught. He had Judah on his way to getting KOed till Judah used the low blow and Oscar was shook briefly but nothing seemed to phase Baldo. I agree Floyd needs to stay off the ropes but for some reason i have a feeling he will try and drag the fight there often and try and pick Hatton apart with counters.

CC returned ACEA.
Upon reflection and investigation of floyd s sparring, the ropes may be the starting point for some of Floyds most vicious attacks...

CC from me too donny, I Dont need to bother posting as you have covered everything I can think of!!

CC Returned Harvey, looks like we're thinking along similar lines again LoL!!!

Ricky Hatton -
Possesses decent jab but never uses it
Not effective at all throwing effective straight punches
Relies too heavily on hooks (punching bag syndrome)
Conditioning is still great but lately has been tiring a bit in the late rounds of fights
Cuts and bruises fairly easily
Short arms make Ricky completely reliant on inside work
Very quick with feet, body, and head/shoulders but still a very defensively flawed fighter
Lunges in with punches (against most fighters he can get away with this and actually uses it too his advantage, against Mayweather he will have to find another way in)
Not a big puncher

Floyd Mayweather -
Low work rate at times can negatively affect judge's scoring of round
Allows himself to be bullied on the ropes a little too much at times
Not a big puncher

Floyd, honestly, is one of the most unflawed fighters I've ever seen. He almost literally has no holes in his game. Hatton's a good fighter but I really think that he'll be confused on how to score for the entire fight.

:coolclick: Donny. Totally agree about Hatton having to block (Id preffer he parried the shots, like what Oscar was doing... That was great... but no way do i see Ricky showing that kind of defensive focus).

Speaking of defence. What is a cage defence?

CC returned Jim....
The more traditional defensive blocking is simply hands straight up and taking the shots on the fore arms. Well the "cage defence is something iv noticed he's done a lot in training before this and the Castillo fight. The cage defense is when the blocking is done by rainsg the elbows and forearms either side of the head and turning...(Floyd actually integrates this into the MAYWETHER SHELL WHEN AVOIDING THE JAB)....I don't no if i explainred that all that well...But essentially it a form of blocking and parrying at once, so we're thinking along the same lines too Jim!

PBF is a brilliant Boxer but boring as hell and HAtton is a pressure fighter who will have to run forward all night trying to keep up with the track and field event Floyd will be.