The one big problem with Joan Guzman
Dude gets too wide and wild with his shots some times.
He's one of my favorite fighters but this is one of the things that seperates him from a guy like Floyd Mayweather. Now it can be exciting, see the first round of the Barrios fight, the second round of the Soto fight where he was just winging shots but they're too wide, even though his quickness usually lets him get away with it he could get caught with a shorter left hook when he's doing that.
When he's countering with straight right hands and straighter left hooks he's damn good.
Well that and his stamina seems a bit iffy at times. So maybe two problems. ;D The lack of power might be a bit of a problem but you can tell he hits hard enough to get people's attention.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Dude gets too wide and wild with his shots some times.
He's one of my favorite fighters but this is one of the things that seperates him from a guy like Floyd Mayweather. Now it can be exciting, see the first round of the Barrios fight, the second round of the Soto fight where he was just winging shots but they're too wide, even though his quickness usually lets him get away with it he could get caught with a shorter left hook when he's doing that.
When he's countering with straight right hands and straighter left hooks he's damn good.
Well that and his stamina seems a bit iffy at times. So maybe two problems. ;D The lack of power might be a bit of a problem but you can tell he hits hard enough to get people's attention.
The main problem I have is his lack of power. The wide shots etc. is simply a bad habit of becoming unbridled at times. Under control, Joan has excellent technical skills that not too many out there have today. If he had the power, he would easily defeat someone like Diaz at 135.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Dude gets too wide and wild with his shots some times.
He's one of my favorite fighters but this is one of the things that seperates him from a guy like Floyd Mayweather. Now it can be exciting, see the first round of the Barrios fight, the second round of the Soto fight where he was just winging shots but they're too wide, even though his quickness usually lets him get away with it he could get caught with a shorter left hook when he's doing that.
When he's countering with straight right hands and straighter left hooks he's damn good.
Well that and his stamina seems a bit iffy at times. So maybe two problems. ;D The lack of power might be a bit of a problem but you can tell he hits hard enough to get people's attention.
The main problem I have is his lack of power. The wide shots etc. is simply a bad habit of becoming unbridled at times. Under control, Joan has excellent technical skills that not too many out there have today. If he had the power, he would easily defeat someone like Diaz at 135.
Well I think he hits hard enough to get respect but the main thing is there's not a whole lot he can do about the power.
He could maybe do something about the wide shots although he is 31 so if he hasn't fixed it yet who knows.
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Lol I got three for ya
He tries too hard to be floyd Jr
He was always of a hands low and good defensive style but now he gets trained by floyd srhes just bieng trained to fight like floyd, And lord knows after having so many fights, switching trainers and switching up your style like that 9 times out of 10 it just doesnt work..
Dont get me wrong.. Floyd sr has sharpened him up nice, But Joan needs to remember he isnt a mayweather in case hes doing all that shit that is still fairly new to him and gets chinned ..
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I wouldn't say its all new, he's been doing the shoulder roll and stuff like that for a while, remember him doing it in the Terdsak Jaendaeng fight, not too much difference between then and now.
He just gets too out of control at times, luckily he seems to have a good chin but you never know how long that will hold up.
And I'm not saying he only has one problem, that's the one that just jumps out to me as something that he shouldn't be doing. Not all that much he can do about the power.
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Does anybody feel Guzman would beat Arthur ???
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Does anybody feel Guzman would beat Arthur ???
I haven't seen Arthur's last few fights but from what I've seen Guzman would be way too quick for him.
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Does anybody feel Guzman would beat Arthur ???
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Originally Posted by leftylee
Does anybody feel Guzman would beat Arthur ???
Yeah I do.
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Lol I got three for ya
He tries too hard to be floyd Jr
He was always of a hands low and good defensive style but now he gets trained by floyd srhes just bieng trained to fight like floyd, And lord knows after having so many fights, switching trainers and switching up your style like that 9 times out of 10 it just doesnt work..
Dont get me wrong.. Floyd sr has sharpened him up nice, But Joan needs to remember he isnt a mayweather in case hes doing all that shit that is still fairly new to him and gets chinned ..
Erm,what are you talking about? Guzman has used a shoulder roll for a while now,Mayweather Senior just sharpened it and and has him use more lateral movement.Shoulder roll aside,I don't really see how else he fights like Floyd.
Oumafan,I agree,I said it after the Soto fight,it was the 1 thing that stuck out,when he trades,he swings very widly,maybe because he gets an adrenaline rush.I was surprised and dissappointed Soto didnt land a clean punch on him when Guzman was swinging for the fences. When he is under control,using the shoulder roll and fast hands,he is a tough customer.
I used to think he had a lack of power at the weight class but I think he punches hard enough to get an opponents respect,and he certainly knows how to handle pressure fighters,few bring the heat Jorge Barrios or Humberto Soto do and he handled both with relative ease imo.
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People need to stop trying to compare him to floyd, he ain't anywhere near floyds level. his like 35 now and floyd was 21 when he got his first title and showed his p4p potential. I see nothing but floyd sr, for any reason why people would think joan is anything like floyd jr.
floyd might be the best ever superfeatherweight at his young age then, guzman isn't even near top all time superfeatherweights.
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People need to stop trying to compare him to floyd, he ain't anywhere near floyds level. his like 35 now and floyd was 21 when he got his first title and showed his p4p potential. I see nothing but floyd sr, for any reason why people would think joan is anything like floyd jr.
floyd might be the best ever superfeatherweight at his young age then, guzman isn't even near top all time superfeatherweights.
I don't think anybody thinks he's as good as Floyd. He's not as good defensively, partly cause he's less defensive, his punching technique isn't as good, his conditioning, work ethic, etc, all isn't as good. He fights a bit like him but that doesn't mean he's as good. He is damn good though and a danger to any 130 pounder in the world.
BTW why does it seem like most Pac fans hate Guzman so much?
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What im saying is sure sharpen him but dont change him and even the minor changes from when sr began with joan could cause big problems..
If you said to Roy Jones jr 30 or so fights in..Oh roy you gotta start using that jab and do this and do that.. They'll do that a couple rounds.. Maybe forget it for a bit..swtch here switch there.. and it either doesnt work that way or just causes confusion that late in a fighters career..
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People need to stop trying to compare him to floyd, he ain't anywhere near floyds level. his like 35 now and floyd was 21 when he got his first title and showed his p4p potential. I see nothing but floyd sr, for any reason why people would think joan is anything like floyd jr.
floyd might be the best ever superfeatherweight at his young age then, guzman isn't even near top all time superfeatherweights.
I don't think anybody thinks he's as good as Floyd. He's not as good defensively, partly cause he's less defensive, his punching technique isn't as good, his conditioning, work ethic, etc, all isn't as good. He fights a bit like him but that doesn't mean he's as good. He is damn good though and a danger to any 130 pounder in the world.
BTW why does it seem like most Pac fans hate Guzman so much?
Myabe because almost everytime a fighter is percieved as a serious threat to their beloved Manny,they attempt to demean that opponent knowing that either Manny won't fight him or to make themselves feel better?Valero,Soto,Marquez,Morales,and now Guzman.All at one stage or another ridiculed by Manny fans for 1 reason or another,but usually just on blind following of Manny ;D ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by Julius Marvelous Rain
People need to stop trying to compare him to floyd, he ain't anywhere near floyds level. his like 35 now and floyd was 21 when he got his first title and showed his p4p potential. I see nothing but floyd sr, for any reason why people would think joan is anything like floyd jr.
floyd might be the best ever superfeatherweight at his young age then, guzman isn't even near top all time superfeatherweights.
I don't think anybody thinks he's as good as Floyd. He's not as good defensively, partly cause he's less defensive, his punching technique isn't as good, his conditioning, work ethic, etc, all isn't as good. He fights a bit like him but that doesn't mean he's as good. He is damn good though and a danger to any 130 pounder in the world.
BTW why does it seem like most Pac fans hate Guzman so much?
Because they're scared that potentially Guzman is the man to beat Pac.
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What im saying is sure sharpen him but dont change him and even the minor changes from when sr began with joan could cause big problems..
If you said to Roy Jones jr 30 or so fights in..Oh roy you gotta start using that jab and do this and do that.. They'll do that a couple rounds.. Maybe forget it for a bit..swtch here switch there.. and it either doesnt work that way or just causes confusion that late in a fighters career..
I see what you are saying but Joan seems to be a flexible guy firstly and secondly,whatever changes Floyd Senior made,were made in Guzmans biggest fight of his career and not only did he win but he looked good whilst doing it. So I don't think it was that risky bro.
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one way or another pac is brought up, now a days pac doubters love mentioning him as much as his fans. weird its vise versa when it comes to fans and nonfans.
you guys can talk about pac whenever yall want, but this here is guzman thread. All im saying is he ain't nothing like floyd. silly haters pac isn't the topic. but anyways guzman isn't that big of a threat, how will he outbox pac for 12 rounds if by 9th he'll gas out and slow down. compare that to the punches pac will have had already dish out to guzmans body. ITS a no brainer, guzman is not threat. marquez is, so nice try guys but get at pac about marquez cause jmm is the real deal. NOT THIS OLD wanna be floyd jr. ;D
why does most pac doubters keep bringing him up when they set their hope on the next hopeless potential pac oppenent ;)
