Countdown Vs 24/7

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01-16-2008, 05:27 AM
Bookkeeper

Countdown Vs 24/7

I just got finished watching countdown to RJJ-Trinidad and was very disappointed. First off the show is a thirty minute breakdown of what anaylst believe what will happen in the fight, who gives a rat's ass? I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions. 24/7 get's into the feelings and opinions of the fighter, it get's up close and personal and nothing is left to the imigination. They also get into the minds of the families and you feel as though you are apart of the fighters camp, it builds great interest and you learn alot about each fighter. Countdown had a basic interview from each fighter and a bunch of mombo jombo. I don't know why an HBO exec would spend money for a camera crew to go to the house of some of these journalist and ask for their opinions, we could put on a better show here at Saddo than they can, it's a waste of thirty minutes, money, interest, and information.
01-17-2008, 05:51 AM
CutMeMick

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I just got finished watching countdown to RJJ-Trinidad and was very disappointed. First off the show is a thirty minute breakdown of what anaylst believe what will happen in the fight, who gives a rat's ass?

Oh! I agree with 'ya 100% on this, what a waste of time and tape it was to do that.

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions.

I mean to think that..... Whoa! wait a minute here should I be offended here? ???
;D

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions. 24/7 get's into the feelings and opinions of the fighter, it get's up close and personal and nothing is left to the imigination. They also get into the minds of the families and you feel as though you are apart of the fighters camp, it builds great interest and you learn alot about each fighter. Countdown had a basic interview from each fighter and a bunch of mombo jombo. I don't know why an HBO exec would spend money for a camera crew to go to the house of some of these journalist and ask for their opinions, we could put on a better show here at Saddo than they can, it's a waste of thirty minutes, money, interest, and information.

I think for the most the reason why it lacked is;
1) How long has Tito been inactive for? It's not like they got some really great recent tape of him in the ring. Last thing they'll do is show footage of his last outing (The Winky fight)
2) RJJs fought Ajamu & Hanshaw hardly mainstream names and footage they'd want to show.

I said it before and I'll say it again 'Whoever actually buys this PPV should be slapped across their face'
I also said for those who will call in to order the event should be forwarded to a psychiatrist for a mental analysis.
01-17-2008, 05:55 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I just got finished watching countdown to RJJ-Trinidad and was very disappointed. First off the show is a thirty minute breakdown of what anaylst believe what will happen in the fight, who gives a rat's ass?

Oh! I agree with 'ya 100% on this, what a waste of time and tape it was to do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions.

I mean to think that..... Whoa! wait a minute here should I be offended here? ???
;D

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions. 24/7 get's into the feelings and opinions of the fighter, it get's up close and personal and nothing is left to the imigination. They also get into the minds of the families and you feel as though you are apart of the fighters camp, it builds great interest and you learn alot about each fighter. Countdown had a basic interview from each fighter and a bunch of mombo jombo. I don't know why an HBO exec would spend money for a camera crew to go to the house of some of these journalist and ask for their opinions, we could put on a better show here at Saddo than they can, it's a waste of thirty minutes, money, interest, and information.

I think for the most the reason why it lacked is;
1) How long has Tito been inactive for? It's not like they got some really great recent tape of him in the ring. Last thing they'll do is show footage of his last outing (The Winky fight)
2) RJJs fought Ajamu & Hanshaw hardly mainstream names and footage they'd want to show.

I said it before and I'll say it again 'Whoever actually buys this PPV should be slapped across their face'
I also said for those who will call in to order the event should be forwarded to a psychiatrist for a mental analysis.

You saying I should slap my kids mom across the face? I'm watching this in Panorama City. At her house. Years ago I would of came out the pocket for this. Not today. But it don't mean I won't be watching it
01-17-2008, 06:29 AM
Kev

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

I thought the Countdown show was ok. The only reason the 24/7 shows were entertaining was because of Floyd's and his Uncle Roger's personalities.

Listening to Oscar, Ricky Hatton or Billy Graham just bored the absolute shit out of me to be honest.

These shows only work if the personalities involved are exciting or controversial or it's a hugely anticipated fight.

The Jones Trinidad fight is certainly a long way from being an anticipated fight, it's the equivalent of an England playing Poland in a International soccer pre season friendly.

As for personalities, I like Roy but Trinidad barely speaks English and is completely irrelevent to the fight game nowadays so I don't see how they could have made him interesting.

Basically he's coming out of retirement to get a final big payday in losing to Roy Jones. It's probably the most predictable result ever in boxing, the only question is what round will he go in.

It's not the fault of HBO's Countdown series that it wasn't more exciting for you. You cannot polish a turd after all.
01-17-2008, 08:10 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the Countdown show was ok. The only reason the 24/7 shows were entertaining was because of Floyd's and his Uncle Roger's personalities.

Listening to Oscar, Ricky Hatton or Billy Graham just bored the absolute shit out of me to be honest.

These shows only work if the personalities involved are exciting or controversial or it's a hugely anticipated fight.

The Jones Trinidad fight is certainly a long way from being an anticipated fight, it's the equivalent of an England playing Poland in a International soccer pre season friendly.

As for personalities, I like Roy but Trinidad barely speaks English and is completely irrelevent to the fight game nowadays so I don't see how they could have made him interesting.

Basically he's coming out of retirement to get a final big payday in losing to Roy Jones. It's probably the most predictable result ever in boxing, the only question is what round will he go in.

It's not the fault of HBO's Countdown series that it wasn't more exciting for you. You cannot polish a turd after all.

I'll take Poland
01-17-2008, 08:19 AM
CutMeMick

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I just got finished watching countdown to RJJ-Trinidad and was very disappointed. First off the show is a thirty minute breakdown of what anaylst believe what will happen in the fight, who gives a rat's ass?

Oh! I agree with 'ya 100% on this, what a waste of time and tape it was to do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions.

I mean to think that..... Whoa! wait a minute here should I be offended here? ???
;D

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

I would rather read an article from Daxx Khan, or a history breakdown from CutmeMick, or a RBR breakdown from Wacko 3205, why should I care about their opinions. 24/7 get's into the feelings and opinions of the fighter, it get's up close and personal and nothing is left to the imigination. They also get into the minds of the families and you feel as though you are apart of the fighters camp, it builds great interest and you learn alot about each fighter. Countdown had a basic interview from each fighter and a bunch of mombo jombo. I don't know why an HBO exec would spend money for a camera crew to go to the house of some of these journalist and ask for their opinions, we could put on a better show here at Saddo than they can, it's a waste of thirty minutes, money, interest, and information.

I think for the most the reason why it lacked is;
1) How long has Tito been inactive for? It's not like they got some really great recent tape of him in the ring. Last thing they'll do is show footage of his last outing (The Winky fight)
2) RJJs fought Ajamu & Hanshaw hardly mainstream names and footage they'd want to show.

I said it before and I'll say it again 'Whoever actually buys this PPV should be slapped across their face'
I also said for those who will call in to order the event should be forwarded to a psychiatrist for a mental analysis.

You saying I should slap my kids mom across the face? I'm watching this in Panorama City. At her house. Years ago I would of came out the pocket for this. Not today. But it don't mean I won't be watching it

Only if you feel like it.
Don't get me wrong I'll watch the fight but I sure as hell ain't paying any money for it.
01-17-2008, 08:39 AM
SweetPea

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It's not the fault of HBO's Countdown series that it wasn't more exciting for you. You cannot polish a turd after all.

This is a very accurate way to describe this fight. CC.
01-17-2008, 08:48 AM
Kev

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the Countdown show was ok. The only reason the 24/7 shows were entertaining was because of Floyd's and his Uncle Roger's personalities.

Listening to Oscar, Ricky Hatton or Billy Graham just bored the absolute S*** out of me to be honest.

These shows only work if the personalities involved are exciting or controversial or it's a hugely anticipated fight.

The Jones Trinidad fight is certainly a long way from being an anticipated fight, it's the equivalent of an England playing Poland in a International soccer pre season friendly.

As for personalities, I like Roy but Trinidad barely speaks English and is completely irrelevent to the fight game nowadays so I don't see how they could have made him interesting.

Basically he's coming out of retirement to get a final big payday in losing to Roy Jones. It's probably the most predictable result ever in boxing, the only question is what round will he go in.

It's not the fault of HBO's Countdown series that it wasn't more exciting for you. You cannot polish a turd after all.

I'll take Poland

haha :D
01-17-2008, 08:49 AM
Kev

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It's not the fault of HBO's Countdown series that it wasn't more exciting for you. You cannot polish a turd after all.

This is a very accurate way to describe this fight. CC.

Cheers buddy cc returned
:)
01-17-2008, 09:16 AM
Bookkeeper

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the Countdown show was ok. The only reason the 24/7 shows were entertaining was because of Floyd's and his Uncle Roger's personalities.

I think we are on seperate pages here, I am in no way comparing the magnitude of this fight to Floyd-Hatton, I am not even saying that this fight is relevant to the boxing scene right now, but if you are going to promote a fight you must do it properly. I don't know how you can say that countdown was OK, they gave us nothing at all. It was a basic rundown of the past couple fights of each fighter (Which we have seen), and each fighters career highlights (Which we already know), this is a complete waste of time and does not add any interest too the fight. On top of that I could care less about Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant's opinions, there are people who know their boxing just as good as those guy's that post on this web-forum, but they had columnist that I have never even heard of giving us opinions on the fight (Who gives a rats ass), they had a couple of clips where fans on the street of San Juan were telling the camera's how sturdy Trinidads hand shake was and that it would lead to a hard knockout, it was a complete waste Bilbo. They gave us a basic interview of each fighter and there were really know interesting questions asked, just basic one's nobody wanted to hear.

OK your opinion is we don't need a 24/7 for alot of fights, fair enough. But give us a relevant show. How about a thirty minute interview where one fighter get's the first 15 minutes and the other fighter get's the second half, each can be asked up close and personal questions ( Which Larry Merchant loves to do) and we can get insight on what's going on. How about the interview be joint and both fighters can be there (like showtime did with Vargas and Mayorga), we can really then learn why this crappy fight was made with real questions, " Tito why would you jump 10 pounds to fight this guy when there are at least another 10 fights you could have took that were better?" " Roy why are you still fighting, and why would you jump down to 170 when you had a hard enough time making 175 and getting your ass beat by Tarver?" I don't want to hear " I feel great at this weight" every fighter say's they feel great before the fight, I have never heard anything otherwise. I don't want to hear " He is a legend", there are other legends you can fight out there. Sorry the show was a complete waste to me and it had nothing to do with the fighters being washed up.
01-17-2008, 09:22 AM
Kev

Re: Countdown Vs 24/7

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Originally Posted by The Bookkeeper

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the Countdown show was ok. The only reason the 24/7 shows were entertaining was because of Floyd's and his Uncle Roger's personalities.

I think we are on seperate pages here, I am in no way comparing the magnitude of this fight to Floyd-Hatton, I am not even saying that this fight is relevant to the boxing scene right now, but if you are going to promote a fight you must do it properly. I don't know how you can say that countdown was OK, they gave us nothing at all. It was a basic rundown of the past couple fights of each fighter (Which we have seen), and each fighters career highlights (Which we already know), this is a complete waste of time and does not add any interest too the fight. On top of that I could care less about Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant's opinions, there are people who know their boxing just as good as those guy's that post on this web-forum, but they had columnist that I have never even heard of giving us opinions on the fight (Who gives a rats a**), they had a couple of clips where fans on the street of San Juan were telling the camera's how sturdy Trinidads hand shake was and that it would lead to a hard knockout, it was a complete waste Bilbo. They gave us a basic interview of each fighter and there were really know interesting questions asked, just basic one's nobody wanted to hear.

OK your opinion is we don't need a 24/7 for alot of fights, fair enough. But give us a relevant show. How about a thirty minute interview where one fighter get's the first 15 minutes and the other fighter get's the second half, each can be asked up close and personal questions ( Which Larry Merchant loves to do) and we can get insight on what's going on. How about the interview be joint and both fighters can be there (like showtime did with Vargas and Mayorga), we can really then learn why this crappy fight was made with real questions, " Tito why would you jump 10 pounds to fight this guy when there are at least another 10 fights you could have took that were better?" " Roy why are you still fighting, and why would you jump down to 170 when you had a hard enough time making 175 and getting your a** beat by Tarver?" I don't want to hear " I feel great at this weight" every fighter say's they feel great before the fight, I have never heard anything otherwise. I don't want to hear " He is a legend", there are other legends you can fight out there. Sorry the show was a complete waste to me and it had nothing to do with the fighters being washed up.

My impression is that HBO know this is a barely relevant fight that they won't make much money on so they didn't want to waste time or expense on making much more than a formulaic documentary.

As for interviewing Lampley and Merchant I see nothing wrong in that whatsoever. This is HBO documentary for a HBO PPV fight that will be commentated on by HBO commentators, Lampley, Merchant et al.

It makes sense that they would interview their own commentary team considering they are the guys who are going to bring us the event.

They did have some interviews with Roy Jones, and a couple bits with Tito but as Tito can't or won't speak English he's kind of hard to interview.

It was an ok show covering a mediocre and ultimately pointless fight. I guess even HBO themselves can't get up for this one.