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I was looking at the ring's pound for pound rankings from the 90s till now and I just can't figure it out.
He was 8th in 98 and he was 7th in 2000
His first signature win did not happend till 2001 over Corrales. So what gives here.
And before some of you go "Who cares, it was 9 years ago." Well I have my reasons and we'll get to that after I see your thoughts.
Well I can't remember that far back but I'm guessing that the majority of the guys above him lost fights hence dropping them down.
I'm guessing Jones Jr was number 1.
I'm suprised he went back down the rankings though, once a fighter climbs to the top they are normally there until they lose ???
Here are the links
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1990s
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--2000s
In 98 it was
DLH
Jones Jr
Holyfield
Trinidad
Johnson
Mosley
Lopez
Mayweather Jr
Hamed
Tapia
The only guy on that list that lost a fight in 99 was DLH
What I don't understand is why him in particular when in 99 all he did was beat three guys who I have not heard of. I'll admit I was not a huge follower of the sport at the time and Superfeather was not exactly my favorite division. But I was wondering what that was all about.
Jones should be number one. He had more talent that Oscar but not the competition.
Because people can recognize Talent when they see it? Regardless of the competition they've faced.
Well in that case I'm making Amir Khan number oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I looked at the fights of some of the boxers in the list in 1999:
Floyd: Carlos Gerena (34-2-0), Justin Juuko (33-2-1), Carlos Ramon (44-2-1), Angel Manfredy (25-2-1)
RJJ: Reggie Johnson (39-5-1), Richard Frazier (18-3-1)
Tito: ODL (31-0-0), Hugo Pineda (36-1-1), Pernell Whitaker (40-2-1)
ODL: Tito (35-0-0), Oba Carr (48-2-1), Ike Quartey (34-0-1)
Mosley: Wilfredo Rivera (30-3-1), John Brown (19-5-0), Golden Johnson (15-2-2)
Ricardo "Finito" Lopez: Will Grisby (14-1-1)
Erick Morales: Junior Wayne McCulloug (23-2-0), Reynante Jamili (39-4-0), Juan Carlos Ramirez (17-1-0), Angel Chacon (24-2-0)
Looking at this P4P list, Floyd and Morales appears as the most active boxers in 1999. However, the names in Floyd's list show better records. Maybe something that helped Floyd was closing 1998 with a victory over Carlos Gerena. This was also similar to Morales who closed 1998 with a huge TKO victory over Junior Jones, the fight who turned me as a Morales fan.
RJJ just fought twice with opponents with no impressive records. Finito in my opinion is one of the bests but, I believe sometimes was underrated because of his low weight, just fought one time this year, 1998 was the year of his 2 battles with Alvarez. Shane had 3 victories over no impressive record opponents.
Probably we could argue why Tito and DLH appear below Floyd this year because it seems that they made bigger things than Floyd in 1999.
Weren't both Lewis-Holyfield bouts in '99? Because if so, then Holyfield lost a fight in '99, he would've been 0-1-1 that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I thought it was roy oscar one and two at that time not oscar floyd...floyd was never second til roy lost to tarver, it gave bhop the p4p title as number p4p fighter then move floyd up to second place. thats the only time when floyd was number two til he moved up to one when bhop lost to j.t. floyd didn't really have the toughest oppenents for him, but roy and bhop losing gave him the top spot.
Yeah because Amir Khan is going to be as good as Mayweather ::** , he definitely is talented, but not like Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Hey guys, sorry for late reply. Been disconnected all weekend.
Anyway, my opinion on this is that it was a mistake, pure and simple. I know P4P lists are subjective but I think it was way off this time and they themselves confirm it by putting Floyd back to 7th the very next year.
I mean , they put DLH back on top of him despite Oscar had just had his seccond loss.
I also think Trinidad got a bad rap here cuz he really deserved that top spot in 99 and 2000.
I mean I know, strickly speaking, Jones should have been in that #1 spot all along but if they decide to put Oscar over him. Then Tito gets a close win over him in 99 and then decides to move up in 2000 and beats the two champions in that division. Why put Jones over him in 99 than put Jones under Tito in 2000 and replace him with Mosly for beating a man who had already losed. (I hope that was not too confusing)
OK OK I know what you are all going to say. But Tito didn't beat DLH and Mosley did. But fact is it was a close fight and Tito got the nod.
Also I understand that maybe the reason why Tito did not move on top is because the fight with DLH was such a disapointment that both fighters lost some status with that one.
Anyway my main complaint is that Tito should've been considered the #1 p4p fighter when he stepped in the ring with Hopkins. And since I can't argue why Jones is over him without getting creamed despite that Jones was fighting nobodies for a good long time, I will argue why Floyd was over him at 99 and why Mosley than ended up on top in 2000 when I don't think any fighter had a better year in 2000 than Tito. As a matter of fact I think Tito was The Ring's 2000 fighter of the year.
What is the point of this thread? No Idea. Personal satisfaction I guess.
He shouldn't of been P4P number 2 thats ridiculous and im massive Mayweather fan. There were plenty of fighters who had better resumes than Mayweather at that time.