Will Wlad Klitchsko enter P4P top ten if he beats Ibragimov??
Okay if he wins this unification fight it means he would own the WBO,IBF,IBO Heavyweight championship belts and also the wins he has over Brock, Peter, Bryd, McCline, Brewster etc and Ibragimov so would that be enough for him to sneak into top ten P4P.
For myself he would especially if Calzaghe is number 3 or 4. (No disrespect to Joe BTW)
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No...I wouldn't put him in anyway as far as i see it the current Top 10..are just plain better boxers than Klitchsko....You could make a good argument for him though.
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Tins06
No...I wouldn't put him in anyway as far as i see it the current Top 10..are just plain better boxers than Klitchsko....You could make a good argument for him though.
One thing I don't get is how is Joe C so high when Klitchsko is not even in people's top 15 :rolleyes:
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leftylee
One thing I don't get is how is Joe C so high when Klitchsko is not even in people's top 15 :rolleyes:
Klitschko hasn't beaten the best in his division Calzaghe has, Calzaghe also gets his ranking for his accomplishments of making 20+ title defenses, what also hurts Wlad is his 3 brutal KO losses, i could name 15 boxers that should be rated higher than Wlad no problem.
Juan Diaz
Joe Calzaghe
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kelly Pavlik
Manny Pacquiao
Israel Vasquez
Rafael Marquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Miguel Cotto
Ricky Hatton
Bernard Hopkins
Christian Mijares
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ICB
Klitschko hasn't beaten the best in his division Calzaghe has, Calzaghe also gets his ranking for his accomplishments of making 20+ title defenses, what also hurts Wlad is his 3 brutal KO losses, i could name 15 boxers that should be rated higher than Wlad no problem.
Juan Diaz
Joe Calzaghe
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kelly Pavlik
Manny Pacquiao
Israel Vasquez
Rafael Marquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joan Guzman
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Miguel Cotto
Ricky Hatton
Bernard Hopkins
Christian Mijares
That could be a factor his 3 KO lossses and also how bad the heavyweight division is ATM.
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Yep Joe C only got himself into the p4p rating recently..Just after Lacy.Personally I feel he should have been higher sooner,but the opponents wern't there so Joes fault,noone else's.But he got himself in based on his lacy performance and solidified his place based on the Kessler performance.
It baffles me B-Hop is higher than Joe but my opinion on that is that he just loOked plain poor in his last couple of fights...Yet the ring have nothing but praise for B-Hop.But based on B-Hops opponents he deserves it.
Re: Will Wlad Klitchsko enter P4P top ten if he beats Ibragimov??
Too many question marks on him, and the division is a mess.
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leftylee
Okay if he wins this unification fight it means he would own the WBO,IBF,IBO and The Ring Heavyweight championship belts and also the wins he has over Brock, Peter, Bryd, McCline, Brewster etc and Ibragimov so would that be enough for him to sneak into top ten P4P.
Are you sure he will own The Ring Heavyweight Championship?
He doesnt at the moment, and Ibragimov is only ranked 6th by The Ring, so it doesnt fit with their usual policy (= the belt is given only to the winner of #1 vs. #2 or - if no. 2 & 3 are considered pretty much equal - #1 vs. #3).
(It doesnt actually matter as for the point you are trying to make - your post just left me wondering)
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i believe he should, he is clearly the best heavyweight in the division no matter how poor it is at the moment.
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Mikkel_K
Are you sure he will own The Ring Heavyweight Championship?
He doesnt at the moment, and Ibragimov is only ranked 6th by The Ring, so it doesnt fit with their usual policy (= the belt is given only to the winner of #1 vs. #2 or - if no. 2 & 3 are considered pretty much equal - #1 vs. #3).
(It doesnt actually matter as for the point you are trying to make - your post just left me wondering)
No problem mate.
I heard if he does then yes he wins the vacant Ring heavyweight belt as they are awarded also for Unified Champions i.e David Haye, Ricky Hatton etc and Wlad would own the WBO and IBF so he would become Ring champ.
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No. He lost to a South African journeyman and wouldn't get back in the ring with him to avenge the defeat. No real champion would have avoided that fight. No even credible chllenger either. The heavyweight division is a shower of shit right now, as evidenced by the fact that 40 year old fat boy Matt Skelton (full-time removal man and part time boxer) gave one of the belt holders whose name ends in ov a relatively close fight recently. Vlad is just the biggest pile of shit in a shit division. Discussing whether somebody who lost to Corrie Sanders and then wouldn't face him again is a pound for pound guy is nuts. He isn't even close to being a legitimate champion, even if he's the top pile of shit right now at heavyweight.
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leftylee
No problem mate.
I heard if he does then yes he wins the vacant Ring heavyweight belt as they are awarded also for Unified Champions i.e David Haye, Ricky Hatton etc and Wlad would own the WBO and IBF so he would become Ring champ.
I don't think that's how it works. Hatton was Ring champ when he beat Kostya Tszyu because Tszyu was the previous Ring champ.
I think Wlad would have to beat the Peter/Maskaev winner to be Ring champ, since that guy would have the #2 ranking. If he did that, he'd also have a case for PFP recognition, as far as the thread topic goes.
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uptoscratch
I don't think that's how it works. Hatton was Ring champ when he beat Kostya Tszyu because Tszyu was the previous Ring champ.
I think Wlad would have to beat the Peter/Maskaev winner to be Ring champ, since that guy would have the #2 ranking. If he did that, he'd also have a case for PFP recognition, as far as the thread topic goes.
Your right, I just checked my latest Ring mag and it stated that belts are only awarded when #1 faces #2 or in certain circumstances #1 faces #3.
Sorry about that fellas.
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leftylee
Your right, I just checked my latest Ring mag and it stated that belts are only awarded when #1 faces #2 or in certain circumstances #1 faces #3.
Sorry about that fellas.
No problem :)
As for his p4p-status, you could argue that he doesnt really prove anything by beating Peter (Ring no. 2) again anyway. But even if we all know Wlad's the man, it would help his status to finally clear out his division (Calzaghe did that before really moving up the ranks btw). Beating Ibrag is a step on the way, but only a step imo.
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ds91
i believe he should, he is clearly the best heavyweight in the division no matter how poor it is at the moment.
How is being the best in a division make you P4P? :confused:
