Trainers/coaches - How Much Do They REALLY Improve Fighters?

I know this topic has been done to death but....

There's a big deal about Amir Khan getting a top trainer (Freddy Roach). Khan's mob will bring in Roach but then match Khan with an unmotivated "gimme." Khan will destroy the "gimme" in impressive fashion. The impressive performance - which wont be much different from before - will be credited to Roach changing/refining his style, clearly making Khan a far better fighter.

Then Khan moves up in class - gets sparked out.

Did Roach really improve him?

Examples? Thoughts? Feelings?

I think they offer a lot, peoiple like Roach has trained every style and will see where Amir needs to improve and work on it.

But even this coach couldnt give him a chin:

Angelo Roach Steward Futch Atlas Rooney Calzaghe Moore Dundee!

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I know this topic has been done to death but....

There's a big deal about Amir Khan getting a top trainer (Freddy Roach). Khan's mob will bring in Roach but then match Khan with an unmotivated "gimme." Khan will destroy the "gimme" in impressive fashion. The impressive performance - which wont be much different from before - will be credited to Roach changing/refining his style, clearly making Khan a far better fighter.

Then Khan moves up in class - gets sparked out.

Did Roach really improve him?

Examples? Thoughts? Feelings?

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I think Khan is by far the most skillful prospect in this Solar System.

But you know the old saying "you cant put ****** on za ****!

Way too much is being given to Enzo on this site, its like Roy JOnes Snr, training one good athlete doesn't make you a good trainer. I think as far as does a good trainer help, of course, but it depends on how adaptable a fighter(willing and able to pick up what a trainer teaching), how good a trainer is at fixing the little problems a fighter has, how motivational a trainer is in the right situation, and how much trust a trainer can demand from their fight. I think one of the biggest things is for a fighter to be able to listen and execute what the game plan is, and listen to the coach to make the small adjustments that they need that can very much change a fight. Guys like Mayweather and RJJ, Hopkins were so good at making those adjustments that by the time they were at their best they didn't even need a trainer in their corner because for one they don't need a trainer, and for two they don't really listen to the trainer, but guys like Miguel Cotto, Kelly Pavlik have really benefitted from having a coach that taught him such sound fundamentals. Whereas Pacquaio is learning how to improve small things with his coach, and guys like Wladimir Klitschko benefit from having a trainer is really good training a fighter with his style in Steward

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Way too much is being given to Enzo on this site, its like Roy JOnes Snr, training one good athlete doesn't make you a good trainer. I think as far as does a good trainer help, of course, but it depends on how adaptable a fighter(willing and able to pick up what a trainer teaching), how good a trainer is at fixing the little problems a fighter has, how motivational a trainer is in the right situation, and how much trust a trainer can demand from their fight. I think one of the biggest things is for a fighter to be able to listen and execute what the game plan is, and listen to the coach to make the small adjustments that they need that can very much change a fight. Guys like Mayweather and RJJ, Hopkins were so good at making those adjustments that by the time they were at their best they didn't even need a trainer in their corner because for one they don't need a trainer, and for two they don't really listen to the trainer, but guys like Miguel Cotto, Kelly Pavlik have really benefitted from having a coach that taught him such sound fundamentals. Whereas Pacquaio is learning how to improve small things with his coach, and guys like Wladimir Klitschko benefit from having a trainer is really good training a fighter with his style in Steward

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I think your underrating Enzo here! I remember watching maccarinelli berfore he went into camp Calzaghe and he wasn't a patch on the fighter he is now. Gavin Rees is a fighter with limited natural ability but he made a world champion (of some kind) out of him, same could be said of Gary Lockett apart from he was never going to beat Pavlik and become a world champ but still little natural talent that Enzo made go a long way.

As for the main question I think that the right trainer in charge of the right fighter is essential for getting the best out of them. For example Emmanuel Steward has seemed to get better out of Wlad than anyone else yet when he took Naz it was the opposite so there obviously has to be the right chemistry between trainer and fighter.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

As for the main question I think that the right trainer in charge of the right fighter is essential for getting the best out of them. For example Emmanuel Steward has seemed to get better out of Wlad than anyone else yet when he took Naz it was the opposite so there obviously has to be the right chemistry between trainer and fighter.

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Yea well with Nas it was a case' if it aint broke dont fix it ' , the whole thing about him was that he didnt everything wrong but it somehow turned out right, so when someone tried to fix it , it went very wrong.

The improvement offered to a fighter by good coaching is imeasurable.

Can a fighter operate without a coach? No.


The better the coach the better the lessons learned.