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So we had a huge win over the argueably the best current P4P (Personally I think he was #2) After this weekends' fight where do you put Toni and Cotto on that list? Does TOni even make your list?
List your Top ten and note where adjustments were made due to this weekends fight.
Number 10 or number 9.
Sorry i just read your last comment where you want people to list there top 10 i need 10 minutes to think about this.
#1 - Pacquiao
#2 - Calzaghe
#3 - JMM
#4 - Vasquez
#5 - Pavlik
#6 - Hopkins
#7 - Mijares
#8 - Margarito
#9 - Calderon
#10 - Cotto
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Israel Vasquez
5. Christian Mijares
6. Ivan Calderon
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Antonio Margarito
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Bernard Hopkins
My changes Rafael Marquez off the top 10 list Cotto off the top 4 going down to 9.
1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Miguel Cotto
3 Joe Calzaghe
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Israel Vasquez
6 Rafael Marquez
7 Ivan Calderon
8 Kelly Pavlik
9 Christian Mijares
10 Margarito
After Saturdays Fight
1. Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Isreal Vasquez
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Miguel Cotto
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Kelly Pavlik
10. Christian Mijares
Wouldn't personally put him in the top 10 I don't think. Obviously beating Cotto was a great achievement but it's hard to say there aren't at least 10-15 fighters in boxing who are easily better than him accounting for everything. I definetly still think Cotto is a better p4p fighter, he could still beat a few top guys Margarito probably couldn't imo.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
I had thought of that also but take this into consideration could those 10-15 guys that a fundamentally "betteR" have beat Cotto? And doesnt beating cotto make Toni a better fighter?
How many notches did Cotto fall in your opinion with this loss?
Just posted...Yahoo sports P4P list: ANy thoughts on it?
1. Manny Pacquiao
Points: 206 (17 of 21 first-place votes)
Record: 47-3-2 (36 KOs)
Title: WBC lightweight champion
Last outing: TKO9 over David Diaz on June 28
Previous ranking: 1
Up next: Potential Dec. 6 bout vs. Oscar De La Hoya
Analysis: Improvement of right hand makes him clearly No. 1.
2. Joe Calzaghe
Points: 177 (4 of 21 first-place votes)
Record: 45-0 (32 KOs)
Title: WBA, WBO and The Ring super middleweight champion and The Ring light heavyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over No. 9 Bernard Hopkins on April 19
Previous ranking: 2
Up next: Nov. 8 in New York vs. Roy Jones Jr.
Analysis: Familiar refrain: Had to pull out of Sept. 20 date with Jones because of hand injury.
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
Points: 162
Record: 48-4-1 (35 KOs)
Title: None
Last outing: L12 to No. 1 Manny Pacquiao on March 15
Previous ranking: 4
Up next: Sept. 13 vs. Joel Casamayor in Las Vegas
Analysis: Outstanding boxer with all-around skills
4. Israel Vazquez
Points: 132
Record: 43-4 (31 KOs)
Title: WBC and The Ring super bantamweight champion
Last outing: W12 over No. 7 Rafael Marquez on March 1
Previous ranking: 5
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Strong, powerful and has a great chin.
5. Kelly Pavlik
Points: 121
Record: 34-0 (30 KOs)
Title: WBC, WBO and The Ring middleweight champion
Last outing: TKO3 over Gary Lockett on June 7
Previous ranking: 6
Up next: Oct. 18 vs. No. 9 Bernard Hopkins in Atlantic City, N.J.
Analysis: Punching power is perhaps best in boxing.
6. Antonio Margarito
Points: 111
Record: 37-5 (27 KOs)
Title: WBA welterweight champion
Last outing: TKO11 over No. 8 Miguel Cotto on July 26
Previous ranking: NR
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Phenomenal chin allows him to keep barreling ahead.
7. Rafael Marquez
Points: 63
Record: 37-5 (33 KOs)
Title: None
Last outing: L12 to No. 4 Israel Vazquez on March 1
Previous ranking: 7
Up next: Nothing scheduled
Analysis: Highly underrated as a boxer.
8. Miguel Cotto
Points: 59
Record: 32-1 (26 KOs)
Title: None
Last outing: TKO by 11 to Antonio Margarito on July 26
Previous ranking: 3
Up next: Plenty of rest
Analysis: Fought brilliantly for most of the fight against Margarito, but found a bigger and stronger opponent.
9. Bernard Hopkins
Points: 40
Record: 48-5 (32 KOs)
Title: None
Last outing: L12 to No. 2 Joe Calzaghe on April 19
Previous ranking: 8
Up next: Oct. 18 vs. No. 5 Kelly Pavlik in Atlantic City, N.J.
Analysis: Game’s most crafty fighter.
10. Cristian Mijares
Points: 24
Record: 35-3-2 (14 KOs)
Title: WBA and WBC super flyweight champion
Last outing: W12 over Alexander Munoz on May 17
Previous ranking: 10
Up next: Aug. 30 vs. Chatchai Sasakui in Monterrey, Mexico
Analysis: Highly regarded boxer.
Well i think Antonio Margarito is too high Rafael Marquez is too high Christian Mijares is too low and Kelly Pavlik is a tad too high but where is Ivan Calderon ?
Probably not, but you can't base a ranking on the ability to beat one guy. And no, beating Cotto can't make Toni a better fighter than he is. Like I said, I still think Cotto is a better p4p fighter. I think he'd do much better against Williams, Mosley(done), Quintana(done), and Mayweather than Margo could. No clue where Cotto would drop to as I really wasn't sure exactly where he would have been, but I don't think he should drop to much. Number 8 in that list Im not sure about, but I don't think Margarito should be number 6 personally. Hopkins and Mijares are better than he is imo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by p4pking
I had thought of that also but take this into consideration could those 10-15 guys that a fundamentally "betteR" have beat Cotto? And doesnt beating cotto make Toni a better fighter?
How many notches did Cotto fall in your opinion with this loss?
Tony is about 5-7 on my P4P right now.