Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?
I look at Cotto, and he looks so tight defensively at the begining of a fight, but I notice as a fight goes on he gets more and more sloppy in fights, and not just against opponent's who take him to tough places, but even against Gomez. I don't know if its Cotto wanting to look good or being a little more cocky in the ring then he should be. Looking back to the last few great fighters I see one thing in common, is that they can all stay focused for 12 rounds. Hopkins, Jones(when he was younger), Mayweather, Whitaker, the last 4 distinct p4p #1's were all able to retain that concentration, and stay sharp in there no matter what was going on even if they had their hands down they never let their mind lapse while a fight was going on. Yet you can see Cotto doesn't stay in the fight mentally for all 3 minutes of every round, every time you see him back away it seems his mind is half asleep. Maybe its just me, but I think he should either have better sparring partners who push him better or train differently.
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Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.
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Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.
How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.
Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.
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I know you weren't talking to me, but there is a lot of work involved for Cotto to be able to be able to achieve this type of concentration. He could become great, I already think he is a very, very good fighter, but focus is the most important element any fighter can have. I thought Cintron looked very good against Margarito until he lost focus. I know it takes an amazing person to retain that focus against a mauler like Tony, but takes an amazing person to be a great boxer.
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Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.
How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.
Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.
I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.
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Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.
How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.
Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.
I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.
But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.
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Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.
How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.
Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.
I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.
But watch Kessler against Andrade, He hit Andrade with everything but the kitchen sink, but he couldn't hurt Andrade, yet he used a lot smarter movement then Cotto, and stayed focused. Obviously Andrade isn't Margarito, but Cotto was giving up ring space for free, and he wasting his energy moving, and later on he wasn't protecting himself, He stopped using as much head movement on the ropes, and he stopped keeping his hands up or trying to smother Margarito's punching.
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How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.
Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.
I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.
But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.
I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him
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There are things Cotto can do, to not tire out, Not that it will chane a rematch, but he can clinch more off the ropes, He moved back wards when he could have come forward throwing punches. He didn't need to move straight backwards he moved fast enough that he could have kept the fight int he center of the ring with a lot less energy wasted. Even Cintron was able to keep the fight in the middle of the ring more. Cotto was going straight back to the ropes on his own accord.
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I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.
But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.
I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him
Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?
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Cotto is a machine. No lack of concentration. He fought with a now confirmed broken nose and his Mark Vester from his camp, is saying the medicine used to stop the flow of blood hindered his stamina.
Also. There is speculation in the latin media of roid use on Margarito's behalf. Doubt it but you never know these day$. Test results due on Friday. Wlll you guy posted.
I will be really dissapointed if the tests are positive but I really don't think Tony is that type of guy[a cheat]
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cotto didnt lose because he lacked concentration, he lost because he tried to fight a style he wasn't conditioned to handle. he's never had to use his legs that much. EVER. and he could have sparred all day with a focus on movement, but no way in hell was he all of sudden going to have world class movement in his first fight with that strategy. he needs to work on stamina or get better infighting defense. or he'll never be able to handle a fighter that can take a punch and pressure.
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This is for kel. He might come back like Tsyzu and he might not. The guys you named Williams, Margarito, and Pussy boy Mayweather will all kick Cotto ass. Mayweather in my opinion ducks alot of fighter,but he is more talented than Cotto will ever be!!!! You Cotto fans were blind for years to all Cotto flaws for now it came back and bit all of ya'll in the ass cause now your all mad, and most of his fans turned of him!!!!! He is a very good fighter, but he just don't have wait it takes to get to that next level. His lost wasn't a stamina problem, he just couldn't stay focused and dig down deep enough and do what it takes to win the fight. I for one thought he was winning the fight until he got knocked down and quit.
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But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.
I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him
Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?
No. He out worked him
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I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.
Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.
That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.
I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.
