I'm gonna piss people off but here's the word on Berto...

He is the next Jeff Lacy... (not sylistically but career wise)

He seriously meats the ELITE and he gets exposed...

Is he skilled? Yes.

Someone said in another thread he has the potential to be as good as Floyd... Floyd at 12 fights was better then this kid.

Anyway, I thought that statement was crazy!

I also think that if Forbes hadn't been a career sparring partner he'd have a better shot cuz he has the goods..

Berto will beat him with sheer output... Forbes will box his ears off but Berto will land more leather...

UD Berto but whatever...

He'll get exposed soon enough:rolleyes:

You're really not a fan are you ;D

He's being insanely overrated by a small few because of his speed.

I don't know how far he'll go honestly, some of it will depend on his chin since he's not a Winky/BHop/Floyd type of unhittable guy.

when i watched jeff lacy fought to me he only had power and thats it. but berto on the other hand has power speed a defense that is improving i dont know too much about his chin yet but he will get tested next year. but as of now he seems like a decent fighter to me and one of my favorites at welterweight i think since no one wants to fight paul williams berto should fight him sometime next year.

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You're really not a fan are you ;D

He's being insanely overrated by a small few because of his speed.

I don't know how far he'll go honestly, some of it will depend on his chin since he's not a Winky/BHop/Floyd type of unhittable guy.

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I actually enjoy watching him fight oddly enough but I think thats a good evaluation;)

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when i watched jeff lacy fought to me he only had power and thats it. but berto on the other hand has power speed a defense that is improving i dont know too much about his chin yet but he will get tested next year. but as of now he seems like a decent fighter to me and one of my favorites at welterweight i think since no one wants to fight paul williams berto should fight him sometime next year.

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You know, I agree with most of what you say... I meant Lacy by the way his career has gone not the way he fights but I'd LOVE him to prove me wrong.

He's a decent fighter and I give everyone a fair shake but this over rating him is rediculous

On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's (can he fight backing up when they wont fall down) ?Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's.Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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Agree, agree and agree...

I see him ending up like a Lacy, though...

He may have the goods...

I emplore him to prove me wrong... I'd love it in fact! I wish NO fighter any ill.(well, I liked watching Vic get sparked);D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's.Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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Agree, agree and agree...

I see him ending up like a Lacy, though...

He may have the goods...

I emplore him to prove me wrong... I'd love it in fact! I wish NO fighter any ill.(well, I liked watching Vic get sparked);D

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He better hope to have Lacy's chin.He sure as helz appears to have his publicist and hype machine ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's.Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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Agree, agree and agree...

I see him ending up like a Lacy, though...

He may have the goods...

I emplore him to prove me wrong... I'd love it in fact! I wish NO fighter any ill.(well, I liked watching Vic get sparked);D

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He better hope to have Lacy's chin.He sure as helz appears to have his publicist and hype machine ;D

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True. I really want to be a fan and kind of am but Hype machines turn me off... I'm off the Haye traine aswell... (I was never on it but do hope what HE says is true)

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's (can he fight backing up when they wont fall down) ?Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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I agree!!

I'm not sold on Berto yet, and even if he beats Forbes, my opinion won't change until he fights a more elite fighter, and beats him. I too think he got that belt too easily.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

On the broader point,I agree.Truck loads of potential,hand speed,athletisism but the one huge glaring bull waltzing in the china shop for me is,
He has faced next to no top tier adversity and zero legit top ten fighters on his way up to the Title and has yet to answer some serious questions now amongst the championship ranks that are better tackeled in the early developing stage's (can he fight backing up when they wont fall down) ?Sorry people but Cosme Rivera and David Estrada are world's apart from todays top welters.Again....he has some serious potential but he walked into his Title a little too conveniatly for me. He better buckle up Imo!

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I agree!!

I'm not sold on Berto yet, and even if he beats Forbes, my opinion won't change until he fights a more elite fighter, and beats him. I too think he got that belt too easily.

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True that, First Lady!

He fought who for that belt... a pulse. Forbes is a career sparring partner, nothing more. I like forbes and wish it weren't the case but, alas...

Cool dude JT is going to come in here and start throwing Furnitue around ;D

I honestly think he has a good chance of stopping Forbes,I like Forbes,class act and decent fighter..........at Lightweight.Imo, The Oscar fight was a showcase type fight for Oscar and The Berto fight will be his "coming out party" against a past Champion,Lampley.....get your pom-poms ready :cheerleader:

Give the young man some time. He can only sink or swim. With a fighter like him only TIME will tell. If he acts like Margo and avoids Paul Williams his career may be OK.

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Agree, agree and agree...

I see him ending up like a Lacy, though...

He may have the goods...

I emplore him to prove me wrong... I'd love it in fact! I wish NO fighter any ill.(well, I liked watching Vic get sparked);D

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He better hope to have Lacy's chin.He sure as helz appears to have his publicist and hype machine ;D

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True. I really want to be a fan and kind of am but Hype machines turn me off... I'm off the Haye traine aswell... (I was never on it but do hope what HE says is true)

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I like fighters that build their own hype - with their fists, in the ring.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Cool dude JT is going to come in here and start throwing Furnitue around ;D

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:lol:

When I started reading this thread, and was posting, I thought about JT too.