Juan Manuel Marquez Against Other Past Mexican Featherweights.
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
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hard to say bro, I am very impressed by Marquez. As far as how he will do against Sanchez, this one I do not know. I did not see enough of Sanchez. As far as the others I would say you are spot on.
A prime Barrera against Marquez would have been a war :flame:
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
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Prime for prime, Erik and Marco beats Marquez ...
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For me a prime Morales, Barrera and Sanchez all beat him. I actually think that Barrera might have beat him when they did fight had Jay Nady not fucked up. But thats just a "what if" and I cannot take anything away from Marquez. Great fighter.
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
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Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
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Markusdarkus
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Violent Demise
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
I also remember Wilfredo Gomez crying when Salvador Sanchez died, because he would never be able to prove he was better than Sanchez. I know Gomez was the smaller man and was moving up in weight, and was partying and didn't take the fight as serious as Sanchez did........
But im still not sure even a 100 percent focused and fully trained Gomez would have beaten Sanchez, because i think we hadn't seen the best of Sanchez. As for Marquez vs Sanchez i can see Marquez winning Sanchez did lose his concentration at times which led him to struggling against lesser fighters like Pat Cowdell etc........
But i can't really say because Sanchez had unreal stamina and hit harder than Marquez, although Marquez is a bit better technically. And has slightly better concentration, there both excellent counter punchers very hard to split em IMO.
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You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
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lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
I also remember Wilfredo Gomez crying when Salvador Sanchez died, because he would never be able to prove he was better than Sanchez. I know Gomez was the smaller man and was moving up in weight, and was partying and didn't take the fight as serious as Sanchez did........
But im still not sure even a 100 percent focused and fully trained Gomez would have beaten Sanchez, because i think we hadn't seen the best of Sanchez. As for Marquez vs Sanchez i can see Marquez winning Sanchez did lose his concentration at times which led him to struggling against lesser fighters like Pat Cowdell etc........
But i can't really say because Sanchez had unreal stamina and can hit harder than Marquez, although Marquez is a bit better technically. And has slightly better concentration, and there both excellent counter punchers very hard to split em IMO.
Sanchez was a great fighter. But his early death has pretty moved him from great fighter to legendary fighter. Which is not accurate. I pick Marquez to win a close fight. Sanchez is certainly capable of winning as well. But under no circumstances would Sanchez do to Marquez what he did to Gomez.
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Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
I also remember Wilfredo Gomez crying when Salvador Sanchez died, because he would never be able to prove he was better than Sanchez. I know Gomez was the smaller man and was moving up in weight, and was partying and didn't take the fight as serious as Sanchez did........
But im still not sure even a 100 percent focused and fully trained Gomez would have beaten Sanchez, because i think we hadn't seen the best of Sanchez. As for Marquez vs Sanchez i can see Marquez winning Sanchez did lose his concentration at times which led him to struggling against lesser fighters like Pat Cowdell etc........
But i can't really say because Sanchez had unreal stamina and can hit harder than Marquez, although Marquez is a bit better technically. And has slightly better concentration, and there both excellent counter punchers very hard to split em IMO.
Sanchez was a great fighter. But his early death has pretty moved him from great fighter to legendary fighter. Which is not accurate. I pick Marquez to win a close fight. Sanchez is certainly capable of winning as well. But under no circumstances would Sanchez do to Marquez what he did to Gomez.
Oh i totally agree with you there not only was Wilfredo Gomez's aggressive style made for Salvador Sanchez's counter punching style, he also didn't train for the fight like he should have. And like you said he was moving up from Super Bantamweight which was his best weight where he had that unreal power..........
Juan Manuel Marquez's style would give Sanchez fits and he was also naturally bigger than Gomez. And is better suited to Featherweight where he spent majority of his career unlike Gomez who's best weight was Super Bantamweight........
You could maybe look at Ruben Castillo vs Salvador Sanchez and that may give you somewhat of an idea. Of how Sanchez vs Marquez would of gone, Castillo used good stick and move tactics, and gave Sanchez a frustrating night until Sanchez caught up to him in the last 3 rounds. And won those rounds clear cut to give himself a close decision win............
And although Marquez is better than Castillo i can still see Marquez using the same stick and move tactics, but making Sanchez pay more with counter shots. And i think Sanchez would be the aggressor but i think this fight would depend on how many rounds 15 or 12, because Sanchez was behind in some fights until he caught up in the last 3 or 4 rounds with his unreal stamina. Thinking about this fight more i would favour Marquez over 12 and Sanchez over 15.
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Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
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Markusdarkus
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Violent Demise
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
And you're saying that Pac doesn't have a chance against SAnchez but Marquez will win it for sure?
You can bring it up and we can have a debate on it. The two fighters would be very explosive but I still would give the upperhand on Pacquaio if they fight in the Featherweight. Pacquaio knows how to counter Marquez, Morales and Barrera. I know he can do it to Sanchez. In the featherweight, Pacquaio has the speed and the punching power to win it through. A prime Pac vs Sanchez could be very very close. It could go either way.
So what do you want to prove now VD?
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brucelee
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Don't even try and pretend like you know about Sanchez and how good he was. Your the same idiot who said Sanchez and Wilfredo Gomez would get smoked by Pacquaio. Don't even think about denying it. I already got the thread bookmarked. So save yourself the embarrassment.
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Markusdarkus
lol.
"Marques beats Sanchez. But would lose to Morales"
I love JMM great fighter but Sanchez was a league above them all he would soundly beat Marques. The Sanchez that obliterated Wilfredo Gomez i dout Marques sees round 10.
Oh the things Boxing Rec doesn't tell you. Gomez was moving up in weight to face Sanchez. He was the smaller man. Not only that Gomez came in completely out of shape. Puerto Rico has never forgiven Gomez for that. Gomez also underestimated Sanchez's power.
Marquez has always been a Featherweight. He's the same size as Sanchez was. He's always in shape and never underestimates an opponent. If anybody thinks Sanchez would do to Marquez what he did to Gomez is a fukking idiot. And knows nothing about Boxing. Pretty much describes you.
And you're saying that Pac doesn't have a chance against SAnchez but Marquez will win it for sure?
You can bring it up and we can have a debate on it. The two fighters would be very explosive but I still would give the upperhand on Pacquaio if they fight in the Featherweight. Pacquaio knows how to counter Marquez, Morales and Barrera. I know he can do it to Sanchez. In the featherweight, Pacquaio has the speed and the punching power to win it through. A prime Pac vs Sanchez could be very very close. It could go either way.
So what do you want to prove now VD?
Show me exactly where I said Pac had no chance?
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Why are you all talking about Pac on a Marquez thread v. Other Mexican Greats?
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Salvador Sanchez = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ruben Olivares = Marquez by TKO on cuts
Juan Manuel Maruqez vs Marco Antonio Barrera = Draw
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Erik Morales = Marquez by SD
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Vincente Salvidar = Not seen enough of Salvidar
How does Marquez stack up in your opinion ?
Marquez beats Sanchez, Barrera and Olivares (his best days were at Bantam, not Feather). But loses to Morales and the southpaw Salvidar
You really don't know some boxing VD. You pretend to know things but your ignorance is crystal clear. A prime Barrera would have beaten Marquez. I doubt it if Marquez would still be standing against Sanchez. Marquez could not keep up against the power of Pacquaio, how much more against Sanchez?
For giving me neg reps without reason, I say this: Shut up VD.
Barrera did beat Marquez IMO, that uncalled KD and points deduction made a clear MAB win, a narrow one.
