Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
Can you guys help me out with something..?
I wanna take some time out to study Pressure fighters. I guess something like your Hatton's or your Margarito's etc. I really want to have a good look at some successful inside fighters fighters from past decades, 50's 40's and so on for some real old skool slugging.
I want to see what it was in there ability and there approach (not just there power) that made them as good they were.
Having said this.. Ive come across a constant irritant to my line of thought into studying the a successful pressure/ inside fighter... They never seem to beat the Elusive guy.
The Pernells, Floyds, Roys, Robinsons and Ali's of the game seem to walk away victorious from such Vintage style match-up's.
What i want to know is, are there any Pressure/ Inside fighters who met an Elusive fighters, were both were seemingly in prime condition and the Pressure/ Inside fighter won?
And if you cant answer that then just feel free to list your all-time favorite sluggers in the game ;D
Like Tesco, every little helps ;)
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
Off the top of my head pressure fighters:
Armstrong
Carmen Basilio
Duran
JCC
Pryor
Hatton
Juan Diaz
Holyfield
Tyson
Glen
Benn
Margarito
Pac
Monzon
Humberto Gonzalez
Pavlik
JLC
Danny Lopez
Ruben Olivares
Iran Barkley
Efren Torres
Alfredo Angulo
Joe Walcott (Though I've never seen him fights the fights of him that are commented on him sure make him sound like a hurricane)
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
Joe Frazier- classic pressure fighter.
Pressure fighters are awesome, but they dont have long carreers. Look at Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier, Tyson. Tyson is the only one who kept fighting in to his mid 30s, and you saw what happened.
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
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Originally Posted by
Jimafee
Can you guys help me out with something..?
I wanna take some time out to study Pressure fighters. I guess something like your Hatton's or your Margarito's etc. I really want to have a good look at some successful inside fighters fighters from past decades, 50's 40's and so on for some real old skool slugging.
I want to see what it was in there ability and there approach (not just there power) that made them as good they were.
Having said this.. Ive come across a constant irritant to my line of thought into studying the a successful pressure/ inside fighter... They never seem to beat the Elusive guy.
The Pernells, Floyds, Roys, Robinsons and Ali's of the game seem to walk away victorious from such Vintage style match-up's.
What i want to know is, are there any Pressure/ Inside fighters who met an Elusive fighters, were both were seemingly in prime condition and the Pressure/ Inside fighter won?
And if you cant answer that then just feel free to list your all-time favorite sluggers in the game ;D
Like Tesco, every little helps ;)
Hmmm, are you deciding if you can pick Paulie over Ricky? ;D You're right, slicksters usually give fits to pressure guys. It helps if the slickster can also punch a little. Robinson could punch, Leonard could punch, against guys his size Floyd can punch.
If I were to look for a model of how Ricky-Paulie might go, I would look to Camacho - Haugen. Camacho developed a little power later in his career, but when he fought Haugen, he was almost as featherfisted as Paulie. Camacho was a better fighter than Paulie, and Hatton is better fighter than Haugen. The slickster needs at least some authority on his punches to keep the pressure fighter off.
Off hand -
Duran - Leonard 1 - both prime
Frazier - Jimmy Ellis - both prime in 1st fight
Frazier - Ali 1
Robinson - Basilio (though Robinson past prime. Robinson - Fulmer also, but Robinson was further past it.)
Pryor - Arguello (again Arguello a bit past it)
Haugen - Pazienza 2 - Prime
Haugen - Camacho - Prime
Chavez - Meldrick Taylor
That's all I can come up with for now.
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
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CutMeMick
Off the top of my head pressure fighters:
Armstrong
Carmen Basilio
Duran
JCC
Pryor
Hatton
Juan Diaz
Holyfield
Tyson
Glen
Benn
Margarito
Pac
Monzon
Humberto Gonzalez
Pavlik
JLC
Danny Lopez
Ruben Olivares
Iran Barkley
Efren Torres
Alfredo Angulo
Joe Walcott (Though I've never seen him fights the fights of him that are commented on him sure make him sound like a hurricane)
Not to nitpick, but wouldn't you call Monzon, Pavlik, and Pac more pressuring boxer-punchers than true pressure fighters in the Frazier/JLC/Pryor mold?
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
You've got a good point...
But consider this how many times in your head can you think of either one of those guys fighting going back?
For the most part you'll see them in your head going forward and pressuring their opponents and just coming forward.
I def. agree that the likes of JLC, Pryor and Fraizer are the true definitions of pressure fighters.
Re: Prime4Prime: Pressure Fighter v The Elusive Speedster
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
You've got a good point...
But consider this how many times in your head can you think of either one of those guys fighting going back?
For the most part you'll see them in your head going forward and pressuring their opponents and just coming forward.
I def. agree that the likes of JLC, Pryor and Fraizer are the true definitions of pressure fighters.
Agree, they are pressure fighters, but not in the way the Jim means. Winky Wright is also an atypical pressure fighter. How many times do you see him back up?
Oh, and don't LaMotta and Marciano belong on the list?
There's another one for you Jim - perhaps the ultimate example because they were both prime.
LaMotta - Robinson for Robinson's first loss.
Of course Robinson took him apart in every fight after that.
