I read in boxing monthly could have been last year but they still rated Roy Jones as number 1 Super Middleweight of all time with Calzaghe in 2nd what do you guys think?
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I read in boxing monthly could have been last year but they still rated Roy Jones as number 1 Super Middleweight of all time with Calzaghe in 2nd what do you guys think?
I guess it depends what you value, overall skill or longevity. I'd say RJJ based on skill alone, but Calzaghe's reign has certainly been much more impressive than Jones'.
The Poll was before Calzaghe vs Kessler and the writer was American Steve Farhood (who has written for KO and The Ring Magazine).
Farhood said that if Joe beat Kessler then that would make him No.1.
That would be for current super middle weights, this is all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Thanks for that mate ive been trying to find the mag but ive got boxing news from 1995 to present and loads of Ring magazines and Boxing monthly and i cant find it SHOCK!!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
This is exactly right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Calzaghe's best win at 168 IMO was over Kessler
Jones Jr's best win at 168 IMO was over Toney
I think ultimately you can make a very good case for both, however the longevity of Calzaghe's reign clinches it for me, although prime vs. prime I think Jones would have won. It's hard to believe that RJJ vs. JFAT was almost a decade and a half ago.
As the sport of boxing is at least a couple hundred years old and I have not personally seen all the Super Middleweights in that time frame (Nor has anyone else on this forum) it would be hard to give an answer to "Who is the Best Super Middleweight of all time"
SuperMiddleweight has only been a division since 1984Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
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Someone on these boards once argued that there was difference between being the best and being the greatest. Following that I'd say Roy Jones was the best Super Middleweight of all time - no one who has ever fought at 168 would have beaten a prime RJJ at the weight - while Calzaghe is the greatest (due to a better resume at the weight).
Boxing Monthly October 2007 issue ive just found it
I know the Ring awarded Calzaghe a belt after the Lacy or Kessler fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat would be for current super middle weights, this is all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
They actually flew to England and hand presented him the Ring Belt for being the greatest supermiddleweight, not sure if they meant current or all time.
But he has to the best super middleweight ever as his career is tied up to the super middleweight division.
Jones has undoubtedly achieved more but he's fought in many weight classes so cannot be considered a super middle champ in the way Calzaghe has.
If that was the case the Floyd Mayweather is the best super featherweight, lightweight, junior welter and welterweight of the last 15 years.
In modern times it has only been a division since 1984. I go back before that when it comes to watching fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSuperMiddleweight has only been a division since 1984Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
The top 10 of all time in the mag were
1.Roy Jones
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Nigel Benn
4.Chris Eubank
5.James Toney
6.Steve Collins
7.Sven Ottke
8.Steve Liles
9.Chong Pal Park
10.Mikkel Kessler
I don't followQuote:
Originally Posted by GhostIn modern times it has only been a division since 1984. I go back before that when it comes to watching fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSuperMiddleweight has only been a division since 1984Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
It was for all-time, Greg.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat would be for current super middle weights, this is all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob