Just watched a viewable version of the fight, and

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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118-109 was a joke mate i think at best Joe was 3 rounds up.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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118-109 was a joke mate i think at best Joe was 3 rounds up.

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You watched a differnt fight to me then fella. Regardless of what anybody thinks of Joe's punches, Jones just did not do enough to win the rounds

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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If you had Calzaghe up by 7 rounds you had the fight around 118 - 111 ;D

How did Joe win the 12th? Roy outlanded him with clean blows in that round, except maybe those pitter patter punches Joe scored to the body, but all in all. Who with a high workrate and a good chin wouldn't beat this Jones? Joe Calzaghe didn't do a better job than Glen Johnson did agaisnt Roy, he didn't hit Roy with as many clean punches as Tarver did in their first fight, though Roy fought back and won most of the rounds against Tarver, the fact is I've seen lesser fighters then Calzaghe beat Roy more emphatically of late.

I had RJJ win the 12th, and a 10-8 round for the first. Think I had a drawn round in there somewhere as well. That would make it 117-111 I had it. The judges got it about right IMO.

I will never call it a dominant win. He won on volume of punches not quality! Most of his punches had nothing on them and they were hitting gloves most of the night. Im gonna say this now and im ready to get smashed but i do believe this. You wanna get an idea on how Joe goes against prime roy....bring on anthony mundine! Mundine has the speed, the right hand and a very nice uppercut. I do remember what happened to the last two guys bent down and put their head down like calzaghe does when fighting mundine, they got smashed with uppercuts all night ;) Trust me everything Jones couldnt do last night, Mundine would of. Mundine would of flurried off the ropes and wouldnt of been in active. Hate on this comment all you want but it is true, face it. The way joe looked last night, was not impressive and mundine would of given him hell last night ;)

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Originally Posted by Taeth

How did Joe win the 12th? Roy outlanded him with clean blows in that round, except maybe those pitter patter punches Joe scored to the body, but all in all. Who with a high workrate and a good chin wouldn't beat this Jones? Joe Calzaghe didn't do a better job than Glen Johnson did agaisnt Roy, he didn't hit Roy with as many clean punches as Tarver did in their first fight, though Roy fought back and won most of the rounds against Tarver, the fact is I've seen lesser fighters then Calzaghe beat Roy more emphatically of late.

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It's just unbeliveable it really is

Neither fighter did much in the 12th round. I would have given it to roy just out of sympathy. The 12th was the worst round.

There was also a round in there maybe the sixth or 7th where he was countering and I gave it to him, but I jsut didn't like that they gave EVERY round to Calzaghe, I think based on how the fight was going not all the albeit few close rounds should have gone Joe's way.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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I only watched a thread and lost it completly in the 10th and have heard the 10 11 and 12 were the same old stuff anyway so obviusly Joes.

Going on that I had the fight 117 to 111 cause I couldn't split them in the fourth round and gave them 10/10 for that one.
oh I had Roy win the first two only.

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Neither fighter did much in the 12th round. I would have given it to roy just out of sympathy. The 12th was the worst round.

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;D Sympathy vote ;D hahaha

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Originally Posted by Taeth

There was also a round in there maybe the sixth or 7th where he was countering and I gave it to him, but I jsut didn't like that they gave EVERY round to Calzaghe, I think based on how the fight was going not all the albeit few close rounds should have gone Joe's way.

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I agree with you.

I didn't score it whilst watching it but the first round was definitely 10-8 for Roy.

I was really worried for Joe after that and in the second round I thought Calzaghe still looked a bit ragged, I really think he was badly hurt in that first round.

I thought Jones won the second round on the night but I havn't watched it back yet.

The third round was huge for Calzaghe, he dominated and from then on took control.

There was that round where Calzaghe was rocked with an uppercut as well, that was a great punch, and the most significant action in that round, not enough to win it for Roy but if it would have been even I'd have had no complaints.

The 12 th round I agree Joe was mainly just showboating and I'd have given it to Roy just by default as he was trying to fight at least.

The rest of the rounds all went to Joe though, although Roy showed a few flashes in some of them.

118-109 sounded a bit harsh though, although like Big H said even if you give Roy the benefit of the doubt in the rounds I mentioned (and none of them were defnitely Roy rounds) then it was still a beat down.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I watched it streamed last night and it was almost impossible to see anything clearly. Now seeing it clearly.
Jones landed the crisper punches, I am much more dissapointed with what Joe did, I thought their speed was more even, Roy looked faster from what I have seen now, he still isn't getting off, but he landed plenty when he threw. Once again they were the same punches he landed against Trinidad which weren't hard punches, but fast short punches. I am surprised I thought last night Joe was landing a lot more effectively in places he wasn't. Most of his punches upstairs were blocked on the gloves, and the only work he got done was pitter patting to the body.

Obviously Calzaghe still won almost every round, but I don't see 118-109 I think thats bullshit, but I have Calzaghe up by 6-7 rounds. I still think Joe is a great fighter, but Roy was landing right hands that would have demolished Joe in their prime now that I am seeing it clearly. The speed difference would be too great, the skill level too different.

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If you had Calzaghe up by 7 rounds you had the fight around 118 - 111 ;D

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;D Obviously 118-109's bullshit though

I am not including the knockdown to the score I had it 117-111 or 116-111 Even one of the brittish guys on their sister HBO station had it 115-113, THAT is BS, but those two were humping Joe's leg something fierce.