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In his fight against Cotto they gave him no credit, even as he was whipping his ass...nothing. Now during the Williams fight they only bring him up to give more credit to Williams. What do they have against him?
I'm curious if anything will be mentioned about his up coming fight during the last two fights of the year, and how they are gonna diss him again.
Any thoughts??
Emanuel Steward was giving him plenty of credit, but honestly he was getting the shit boxed out of him in the first half of that fight, what was there to give him credit for? Walking through flush shots? As it went on they were giving him more credit. Also Paul Williams easily outboxed him, Margarito IMO got more credit than he deserved, and people are calling a fight where Williams won most of the rounds easily a close fihgt because Magarito came on strong at the end..., but far too late.
In the Cotto fight he was getting outboxed but as the tide was turning you dont think he deserved credit for that? He had a plan no matter how ugly it was or how people dont accept it he knew he could take the punch and finsih him later, that was a well executed plan he deserves credit for that. I just dont know why they hate on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Yeah Steward was giving him credit right through the fight from probably the second round.. He knew that he was going to keep coming on strong and had a good chance of beating Cotto.. But that's just Emanuel's intelligence when it comes to the ring.... There are some fighters that they like to lick the nuts of, win/lose or draw.. Then there are fighters that they don't really bother to mention much.. It's fighters like Winky and stuff that don't seem to get the credit they deserve in contrast to some other fighters, but I havn't really seen to much hating on Margarito... They'll have to pay him his dues if he wins a few more big fights..Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
This all seems best placed in the immediate post fight, a bit dated??HBO is at its best....cough..... when it tows the company line and hype fair contract, But...fans all know what they saw vs. Cotto.And is was not two seperate fights with Cotto opting to lose or a fluke...Tony merits boo-koo respect and the doubters line up :fight:
they are not exactly hating the guy. they just tend to talk more about cotto's skills, ability and flaw (in short excuses). Margarito already got credit from us fans(which is more meaningful) beating cintron and cotto in succession.. look where he is now on the list of every so called P4P list. Never mind the HBO commentators comments they are just there to talk and get pay.. that will never change the accomplishment of Margo.. they will look more stupid thats for sure by not giving him credit. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAIn the Cotto fight he was getting outboxed but as the tide was turning you dont think he deserved credit for that? He had a plan no matter how ugly it was or how people dont accept it he knew he could take the punch and finsih him later, that was a well executed plan he deserves credit for that. I just dont know why they hate on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
i guess because technically he is not that great, getting heavily outboxed by Williams and Cotto for most of their fight. His heart and durability are what makes him so dangerous, but HBO tend to appreciate skilled fighters more.
I don't think they were really hating on him. In the Cotto fight he was getting outclassed for the first half of the fight, so their commentary at that point was inline with what was happening in the fight. And, if you will recall, Steward was saying even then that he thought the pressure was going to start getting to Cotto. They gave him credit when he won. And the comments after the Williams fight didn't seem like much hating either. Williams had just fought on their show and was impressive, so of course they are going to hype him. They rightly pointed out that Margarito took a fight with Shane for half the money he could have had to fight Williams, and were using that as an example of how nobody wants to fight Williams and how he will have to create demand with the public to force the big names to fight him. I don't see that as hating.
I agree, I've heard Max Kellerman practically gush about AM a couple of times since July. I think Lampley has said some nice things too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberLang
I don't agree with the comments that Margarito was heavily outboxed by Williams. Williams beat Margarito, but I had the fight relatively close. I can't remember my scoring, and Williams won, but Margarito staggered Williams a few times and Williams never hurt Margarito. Also, Margarito looked much better than Phillips or Quintana (second fight) or that middleweight against Williams.
A lot of people don't give Margarito the credit he deserves for destroying Cotto. The argument usually goes like this: Cotto outboxed Margarito for the first half of the fight and had vastly superior skills etc. But, a championship boxing match is twelve rounds! Who cares if Cotto beat him for five? Margarito crushed Cotto in eleven.
Bute and Andrade is a good comparison because Bute was vastly superior to Andrade technically, but Andrade was resilient. At least Bute can claim that he outboxed Andrade for 11 rounds and almost made it to the finish line. Cotto wilted much earlier.
In the end, Margarito doesn't get credit because he lacks technicical skills and speed. However, Margarito makes up for it in stamina, heart, chin, and guts.
i think i has tony vs paul 7-5 for paul or 8-4 i dont remember. but they always bring up his loss to Paul. though i would love to see Paul beat him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
If they do hate on him it's probably because he's not going to be making them any money.
He doesn't speak English and is still a relative nobody to everyone but the hardcore boxing fans..Plus he beats the phuck outta guys who do make them money ;D
Both Emanuel Steward, and Kellerman consistently said that Margarito was going to turn it up as the fight went on, and that Cotto really had to maintain his pace in order to win, but that it would be very difficult because of the pressure that Margarito was putting on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAIn the Cotto fight he was getting outboxed but as the tide was turning you dont think he deserved credit for that? He had a plan no matter how ugly it was or how people dont accept it he knew he could take the punch and finsih him later, that was a well executed plan he deserves credit for that. I just dont know why they hate on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Once again its very hard to give credit to a guy who is being hit at the other's will. Very often fights have looked like they might get close or turn the other direction like Cotto-Margarito did, but more often than not it seems they don't.
He's really only beaten Cotto who has proven themselves at the top level. I think he does beat several other guys at the top, but there are a few guys including Paul Williams that beat him more often than not.
It's like Setanta over here, they do it with football, if any of the big four (Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United or Arsenal) teams draw or lose they make it out to be a poor performance by them without giving credit to 'lesser mid/lower-table team'
Cotto looked very good for the first half of that fight and if the HBO team were (like me) saying "this is an amazing performance, Cotto is in a different league" and then Margo comes out and punishes Cotto like that you might feel like a bit of a nugget for saying what you did. Specially if your considered an 'expert'
Margarito vs Williams was more like 8-4 or 9-3... and He would beat Margarito again, if he can make Welterweight effectively. He didn't allow Margarito to start fast, because Paul was moved too quickly, just like Pavlik Margarito needs you to be right there in order for him to throw punches, he isn't good at moving and punching at the same time, especialyl when angels are giving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Also destroying a person is what Lewis did to Tyson, what Mayweather did to Gatti. What Calzaghe did to Lacy, what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Margarito stopped Cotto, but he didn't destroy him, it wasn't one sided in his favor until the 11th round. Also Andrade isn't even close to the same monster than Margarito is, while Andrade has a tough chin, he has been dropped recently, and he doesn't walk through punches the same way Margarito does. He kept coming against Kessler, but his punch rate went down, while Tony's speeds up, and the one thing that Margarito has that many pressure fighters don't have and that is he is avery good inside fighter, when he gets his opponent on the ropes he throws great combinations that are hard to predict, and he shortens up his punches.
IMO I think people are making too much of what Margarito did to Cotto, the style matchup favored MArgarito. Ricardo Torres almost stopped Cotto, you can say what you want about how Cotto came back, but in overall besides the 11th round of Cotto-Margarito, Miguel never looked as bad as he did for 2 or 3 rounds against Torres.