I've been watching David Haye and,
I really think he has potential in the HW division that I didn't before. I had watched a few of his fights before, and now I've watched more of them, and I can't get over how athletic he is, I mean Chad Dawson is as tall as him and faster, but David Haye is so much bigger than Dawson in build, and he has great coordination which allows him to leap in and out similar to how Hopkins, Jones, and Mayweather do it. The one problem that I have a huge concern with for him is that he seems in love with his power. I think he relies on it the same way Tyson does, and the problem with that is he doesn't always focus on his boxing, in his last fight, he could have won it without being hit solidly, but he likes to trade shots or gets too confident in there. IMO he needs to work on his movement and focus on being a boxer, not a puncher, not even a boxer-puncher. WHen he is in there with Wladimir Klitschko he needs to look to land that right hand over the jab and get the hell away for Wlad ever other moment of the fight, same with against Vitali, but he needs to stay sharp for 12 rounds and limit the clean punches Vitali would land. He has the speed and reflexes to do it, but they are both very good boxers who can land clean, and I don't see him beating them, but I am more excited for their fights next year than I once was, and I think whichever brother he fights will be one of the most intriguing fights that can be made in '09.
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Taeth
I really think he has potential in the HW division that I didn't before. I had watched a few of his fights before, and now I've watched more of them, and I can't get over how athletic he is, I mean Chad Dawson is as tall as him and faster, but David Haye is so much bigger than Dawson in build, and he has great coordination which allows him to leap in and out similar to how Hopkins, Jones, and Mayweather do it. The one problem that I have a huge concern with for him is that he seems in love with his power. I think he relies on it the same way Tyson does, and the problem with that is he doesn't always focus on his boxing, in his last fight, he could have won it without being hit solidly, but he likes to trade shots or gets too confident in there. IMO he needs to work on his movement and focus on being a boxer, not a puncher, not even a boxer-puncher. WHen he is in there with Wladimir Klitschko he needs to look to land that right hand over the jab and get the hell away for Wlad ever other moment of the fight, same with against Vitali, but he needs to stay sharp for 12 rounds and limit the clean punches Vitali would land. He has the speed and reflexes to do it, but they are both very good boxers who can land clean, and I don't see him beating them, but I am more excited for their fights next year than I once was, and I think whichever brother he fights will be one of the most intriguing fights that can be made in '09.
He seems to pride himself on excitement. I can't fault him for it. It's what the fans want.
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ono
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Taeth
I really think he has potential in the HW division that I didn't before. I had watched a few of his fights before, and now I've watched more of them, and I can't get over how athletic he is, I mean Chad Dawson is as tall as him and faster, but David Haye is so much bigger than Dawson in build, and he has great coordination which allows him to leap in and out similar to how Hopkins, Jones, and Mayweather do it. The one problem that I have a huge concern with for him is that he seems in love with his power. I think he relies on it the same way Tyson does, and the problem with that is he doesn't always focus on his boxing, in his last fight, he could have won it without being hit solidly, but he likes to trade shots or gets too confident in there. IMO he needs to work on his movement and focus on being a boxer, not a puncher, not even a boxer-puncher. WHen he is in there with Wladimir Klitschko he needs to look to land that right hand over the jab and get the hell away for Wlad ever other moment of the fight, same with against Vitali, but he needs to stay sharp for 12 rounds and limit the clean punches Vitali would land. He has the speed and reflexes to do it, but they are both very good boxers who can land clean, and I don't see him beating them, but I am more excited for their fights next year than I once was, and I think whichever brother he fights will be one of the most intriguing fights that can be made in '09.
He seems to pride himself on excitement. I can't fault him for it. It's what the fans want.
He is entertaining, I will give him that much but I have a very funny feeling that he is going to get knocked out as a heavy weight, I hope I am wrong but that is the way the sport is but I hope he does well and I hope he beats the Klitorisis, I don't watch heavy weight fights all that much but Haye and the Mexican Oreola have sparked some interest ;D
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ono
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Taeth
I really think he has potential in the HW division that I didn't before. I had watched a few of his fights before, and now I've watched more of them, and I can't get over how athletic he is, I mean Chad Dawson is as tall as him and faster, but David Haye is so much bigger than Dawson in build, and he has great coordination which allows him to leap in and out similar to how Hopkins, Jones, and Mayweather do it. The one problem that I have a huge concern with for him is that he seems in love with his power. I think he relies on it the same way Tyson does, and the problem with that is he doesn't always focus on his boxing, in his last fight, he could have won it without being hit solidly, but he likes to trade shots or gets too confident in there. IMO he needs to work on his movement and focus on being a boxer, not a puncher, not even a boxer-puncher. WHen he is in there with Wladimir Klitschko he needs to look to land that right hand over the jab and get the hell away for Wlad ever other moment of the fight, same with against Vitali, but he needs to stay sharp for 12 rounds and limit the clean punches Vitali would land. He has the speed and reflexes to do it, but they are both very good boxers who can land clean, and I don't see him beating them, but I am more excited for their fights next year than I once was, and I think whichever brother he fights will be one of the most intriguing fights that can be made in '09.
He seems to pride himself on excitement. I can't fault him for it. It's what the fans want.
He is entertaining, I will give him that much but I have a very funny feeling that he is going to get knocked out as a heavy weight, I hope I am wrong but that is the way the sport is but I hope he does well and I hope he beats the Klitorisis, I don't watch heavy weight fights all that much but Haye and the Mexican Oreola have sparked some interest ;D
The true test of david haye will come when an arreola type catches him flush on the chin and how well he is able to take a heavyweight punch.
No point in david spending the next 2-3 years fighting a few feather punchers before sticking himself in with one of the klitschkos.
Once haye takes a rahman or arreola type onslaught and passes with flying colours i`ll begin to take the man seriously.
until then i just cant!
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He needs to box, I see him beating Arreola easily if he uses movement and boxing skills. I think Arreola is the biggest joke in the heavyweight division.
I give Haye a lot of credit coming up to heavyweight, unless cruiserweight was just getting too hard to make, because there were still several relatively big money fights left for him at 200, especially in England.
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Taeth
He needs to box, I see him beating Arreola easily if he uses movement and boxing skills. I think Arreola is the biggest joke in the heavyweight division.
I give Haye a lot of credit coming up to heavyweight, unless cruiserweight was just getting too hard to make, because there were still several relatively big money fights left for him at 200, especially in England.
Agreed. The funny thing is Arreola has a lot of talent. Good ring smarts. But he is the typical American heavyweight: lazy. The guy could empty out half the division if he bothered to show up below 240lbs. As it stands we have to watch his tits flop around when he raises his hands in victory.
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I seen every Haye fight, and I have no dooubt he will become HW champion of the world.
Every time before he fights I get nervous though, mainly due to his not so stong chin. But hey, that makes him so exciting.
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I can't see him beating Wladimir Klitschko more often than not, Wlad is so hard to counter of that jab, and has underrated handspeed. Ibrigamov was a fast heavyweight, who was an excellent counter puncher, and tough, and southpaw and he couldn't negate the jab.
Vitali is in a completely different league, because he has a great jaw he can relax way more than Wladimir which allows him to be much more effective offensively, and at that size with their athleticism that makes for a dangerous combination. I think Lewis is the greatest thing in the heavyweight division since sliced bread, and old or not Klitschko gave him a good fight. I can't see Haye hurting him, and Klitschko is accurate enough to counter.
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I've followed Haye since day zero, and throughout his career people have said he's chinny. He was knocked out in his only defeat by world champ Carl Thompson back in the day, and put on his arse against Mormeck.
I'm a big fan of Haye, and he's gotta be about the heaviest hitter P4P out there..... Although he's said to be chinny, what about junior Klitschko! He's regularly on the deck..... & against average fighters like Sam Peter! I genuinely can see Haye knocking him out 3-4 when he gets the fight, that's my candid and honest view! Although I think senior Klitschko is a different proposition altogether. Haye would struggle against him. He's the real deal.
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Taeth
He needs to box, I see him beating Arreola easily if he uses movement and boxing skills. I think Arreola is the biggest joke in the heavyweight division.
I give Haye a lot of credit coming up to heavyweight, unless cruiserweight was just getting too hard to make, because there were still several relatively big money fights left for him at 200, especially in England.
Agreed. The funny thing is Arreola has a lot of talent. Good ring smarts. But he is the typical American heavyweight: lazy. The guy could empty out half the division if he bothered to show up below 240lbs.
As it stands we have to watch his tits flop around when he raises his hands in victory.
LOL.
if he lost some weight and work on his defense he would do better than he is now. hope he gets his shit str8
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I seen every Haye fight, and I have no dooubt he will become HW champion of the world.
Every time before he fights I get nervous though, mainly due to his not so stong chin. But hey, that makes him so exciting.
Hey Lefty im the same ive watched all his fights but as i have i said before his chin is'nt the problem everytime he has been over has been a shot to the head not the jaw.
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David Haye just needs to be consistent and then he's going to be better than the majority of the division. I think Haye will probably get KO'd at some point but hell all fighters (with very few exceptions) lose and most get KO'd.
All I want from Haye is what we didn't get from Wlad-Sam Peter....I want a big time heavyweight fight that lives up to the hype and David Haye is one of the few people not named Klitschko that could provide such a fight.
