What are your feelings about a fighter who quits on the stool?

I remember when Tyson did this against the Irishman, Kevin McBride (a real nice lad by the way). I was a bit PO'd because I like my fighters to go out on their shield, but I realize there are many variables like bad cuts that might not heal properly, maybe ruining a guy's career by letting him go back in, protectinG from getting decked for the first time, etc. i RECALL When Oscar Diaz fought Golden Johnson, he should never have been let out of his corner to fight on with his horrible cuts. He was then sliced and diced like an Easter Ham. Onn the other hand, you would have to shoot a guy like Micky Ward or Katsidis before they quit.

Oscar did not seem to want to go back out there last night and I can't much blame him based on the beat down he was getting. Still, quitting on the stool is not a great thing for one's legacy.

What do you think? :confused:

In a sport where deaths are common, I dont really mind it.

If a fighter knows he has had enough then there is no point risking your health.

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

But usually I dont like when a fighter quits on his stool. I mean Tyson for example was not badly hurt when he quit, but he quit boxing all together so I guess he stayed true to his retirement.

depends really, if they are still in the fight its different but DLH hadnt even won a round. I dont box myself so i cant really comment as i never been ion that situation.

Kosta quit on his stool but i still like him. (no homo)

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

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I think you are giving him too much credit there. And I'm not trying to take a piece out of Oscar, but I doubt there were numbers rolling through his head on the stool. I bet there were lots of things, like humiliation, the want to preserve his face from the battering it was taking...fear. Shock. Questioning himself.

But I doubt he was hatching financial plans. You fight. Surely you know what goes on in a head between rounds. Now look at the beating he was taking, just prior to the call to stop. I can't see it being about money at that stage.

Now because he has a comfortable life, and made money, and will make more...I am positive those are factors to his performance. They would keep him from being hungry in the ring. He was not hungry, or driven. But as a before and after thought. Not a during thought.

It's not so bad when it comes at the end of their career and they retire.

I mean Oscar, I;m not sure if he quit or was stopped but he was only ever going to get knocked out, he just had nothing in his legs and clearly wasn't fit to fight.

As much as I don't like Oscar even I wouldn't have wanted to see an admitedlly great fighter get pounded on like that, Oscar has been great for the sport of boxing and clearly that was only 20% of Oscar last night so no pleasure in seeing him get beat down............well maybe a little pleasure :p

But some fighters seem to quit too easily. I never understood why Kosta quit against Hatton, and both Freitas and Julio Diaz cowarded out of their fights with Juan rather than get hurt.

Tyson quit but his heart wasn't in it any more and his star had faded so much by that point that it didn't matter either way.

I guess its smart at the end of the day, ultimately boxing is a sport not a fight to the death and if tonight is not your night why not save yourself for another night?

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

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I think you are giving him too much credit there. And I'm not trying to take a piece out of Oscar, but I doubt there were numbers rolling through his head on the stool. I bet there were lots of things, like humiliation, the want to preserve his face from the battering it was taking...fear. Shock. Questioning himself.

But I doubt he was hatching financial plans. You fight. Surely you know what goes on in a head between rounds. Now look at the beating he was taking, just prior to the call to stop. I can't see it being about money at that stage.

Now because he has a comfortable life, and made money, and will make more...I am positive those are factors to his performance. They would keep him from being hungry in the ring. He was not hungry, or driven. But as a before and after thought. Not a during thought.

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No, he definately wasnt thinking about those things when he quit, he was probably thinking he just didnt want to take any more punishment. My point is Oscar wouldnt have quit 10,15 years ago imo. He just has higher priorities than fighting now but still cares about his legacy. He knows what point his career is at now and conceded to Pac. He realized about the 3rd round he was in over his head. He did as best he could there was just nothing there, he was drawing dead so he ended the beating. He has a lot of pride so I understand why he did it. That was the only thing he could control in the fight.

Can never hold it against a fighter, theyre the ones in there risking their lives so its not up to us to judge.

Yea I agree on that Boom Boom. He looked totally frustrated. And he isn't stupid. Thing weren't going to get any better for him in there, and he knew it. Self-preservation was the call, of limb and legacy.

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Originally Posted by cpcompany

In a sport where deaths are common, I dont really mind it.

If a fighter knows he has had enough then there is no point risking your health.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

The Sam Peter case was genuine quitting. He just couldn't be bothered and after 8/9 rounds or whatever it was he knew his payslip was in hand so the easy option was to go back home :rolleyes: Fraud.

The ODLH case was IMO time catching upto him and he had took enough punishment in the fight. Is he a quitter ? No.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

I remember when Tyson did this against the Irishman, Kevin McBride (a real nice lad by the way). I was a bit PO'd because I like my fighters to go out on their shield, but I realize there are many variables like bad cuts that might not heal properly, maybe ruining a guy's career by letting him go back in, protectinG from getting decked for the first time, etc. i RECALL When Oscar Diaz fought Golden Johnson, he should never have been let out of his corner to fight on with his horrible cuts. He was then sliced and diced like an Easter Ham. Onn the other hand, you would have to shoot a guy like Micky Ward or Katsidis before they quit.

Oscar did not seem to want to go back out there last night and I can't much blame him based on the beat down he was getting. Still, quitting on the stool is not a great thing for one's legacy.

What do you think? :confused:

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He should have never been allowed out of corner in the later rounds with Delvin Rodriquez either.His corner failed him badly imo.

Some fighters are pushed to the point when all they have left in pride & instinct.Corners need to take control,put personal feelings aside and look out for a guys courage getting the better of their judgment.I never have liked calling fighters quitters....Shite,I do not know what goes through their mind.Its all individual and i think it happens in most cases on spur of the moment.I remember big rough & tough Yori boy Campas who has stood in and battled until he fell over or just took a hammering for 10 or 12 rounds......and then in other fights,Carr,Vargas and Santos, he just called it a night,remained seated or turned his back.

But I'll always be thankful to him lol for making touch,feely Tony Ayala do the exact same thing :fight:

I just think DLH knew it was the end,he could do nothing and was getting pelayed,unraveling round by round and made a wise move.

My impression was that, aside from the physical aspects, he no longer has the desire (heart) to fight a hard tough battle. Probably it was the right move, for him, not to go back for more.

I don't mind it. If a guy doesn't want to fight any more that's his business. Obviously it is different if a guy fights a round or two and quits in order to collect a paycheck or something, but I've never seen that happen.