Was S.Peter's improvement his biggest detriment?

I was watching the V.Klitschko-Peter fight and I thought Peter looked really slow and lethargic so I decided to watch him against W.Klitschko, and he looked way better even though he was getting dominated for almost all of it, he was actually throwing punches with speed, not doing so much head movement that he couldn't move forward, I mean if you want to fight at 250 as someone that is 6'1-6'2 then you will not have the footspeed to also use head movement. I don't think Vitalit was super quick, its just he is a very good heavyweight and Peter was an absolute sitting duck because he was stuck between being a boxer and being a puncher.

In hindsight Peter has always been a dumpy plodder with so-so hand speed and overrated power.If he was better as a boxer or puncher that night....I think he still losses to that Vitali either way.

James Toney finished him lazy ass off.;D

Has anyone heard what Peter is up to these days? He has been awfully quiet since V opened a can of whup a$$ on him....

He can still make a few bucks as a gatekeeper type.

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Originally Posted by Master

James Toney finished him lazy ass off.;D

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? How so? He dominated Toney completely in their second fight.
And he looked good against Maskaev.

Looking good against Maskaev is nothing to brag about. James schooled him first time around and since the second fight he probably thought this is too hard. He put more effort pulling the belt from Vitali at the press conference than the whole fight.

Sam Peter has always been way overrated, well managed he was able to capitalize his one punch KO of Jeremy Williams and two very close fights against James Toney. He is hardly a dominant heavyweight when you look at the caliber of opposition he was able to dominate. He was knocked silly by the light hitting Jameel McCline and totally exposed in the Vitali fight. In the first Wlad fight Wlad's issues were more mental than anything that Sam Peter represented.

I'd rate Sam peter somewhere a notch below the caliber of a George Chuvalo/David Tua where he hits about as hard as them but has nowhere the skill level...

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Master

James Toney finished him lazy ass off.;D

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? How so? He dominated Toney completely in their second fight.
And he looked good against Maskaev.

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Thats because James Toney came in even heavier in the rematch. I made a thread about Samuel Peter being overrated and his power, and i was right. I wasn't impressed with him beating a former Super Middleweight, or beating the mediocre Oleg Maskaev, or getting dropped like a sack 3 times against a fighter who isn't known for his punch.

I told everyone that Sam Peter does have power but he doesn't set up his punches, he throws wildly, and every single punch he throws he puts everything behind....Wladimir took him to school and even Wladimir as psychologically damaged as he was at the time could see those wild haymakers coming (bar the shots behind the head).


David Haye is cut from the same cloth as Sam Peter only he is younger and in better shape....if David Haye doesn't learn to box he's going to be at BEST Frank Bruno and at worst Audley Harrison.

You can look up my posts from waaaaay long before Sam Peter fought Wladimir, I told everyone he's another David Izon and look what he has become a fat guy with no defense who seldomly tries to box and is now getting hammered to the canvas by feather fisted heavyweights like Jameel McCline.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I told everyone that Sam Peter does have power but he doesn't set up his punches, he throws wildly, and every single punch he throws he puts everything behind....Wladimir took him to school and even Wladimir as psychologically damaged as he was at the time could see those wild haymakers coming (bar the shots behind the head).


David Haye is cut from the same cloth as Sam Peter only he is younger and in better shape....if David Haye doesn't learn to box he's going to be at BEST Frank Bruno and at worst Audley Harrison.

You can look up my posts from waaaaay long before Sam Peter fought Wladimir, I told everyone he's another David Izon and look what he has become a fat guy with no defense who seldomly tries to box and is now getting hammered to the canvas by feather fisted heavyweights like Jameel McCline.

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Look I hate David Haye but he's already achieved more than both those guys. He's a two time and undisputed cruiserweight champ Harrison hasn't even won a domestic title.

Ok so he hasn't proven himself at heavyweight yet but he's certainly proven himself as a fighter.

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Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Master

James Toney finished him lazy ass off.;D

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? How so? He dominated Toney completely in their second fight.
And he looked good against Maskaev.

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Thats because James Toney came in even heavier in the rematch. I made a thread about Samuel Peter being overrated and his power, and i was right. I wasn't impressed with him beating a former Super Middleweight, or beating the mediocre Oleg Maskaev, or getting dropped like a sack 3 times against a fighter who isn't known for his punch.

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Give me a break it wasn't about James Toney being heavier, Samuel Peter improved, and outboxed Toney. He was the better man, and I am not saying he's the best thing ever, but he didn't throw with any speed or with any effort against Vitali, overrated or not he wasn't fighting at his top level, and I believe its because he thought he was a better boxer than he was.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I told everyone that Sam Peter does have power but he doesn't set up his punches, he throws wildly, and every single punch he throws he puts everything behind....Wladimir took him to school and even Wladimir as psychologically damaged as he was at the time could see those wild haymakers coming (bar the shots behind the head).


David Haye is cut from the same cloth as Sam Peter only he is younger and in better shape....if David Haye doesn't learn to box he's going to be at BEST Frank Bruno and at worst Audley Harrison.

You can look up my posts from waaaaay long before Sam Peter fought Wladimir, I told everyone he's another David Izon and look what he has become a fat guy with no defense who seldomly tries to box and is now getting hammered to the canvas by feather fisted heavyweights like Jameel McCline.

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Stupidest comparison ever, David Haye and Peter that is, David Haye tends to throw hayemakers, but he also is known for his counter punching ability, athletic ability, his amazing speed. He does set up his punches, just he gets drawn into slugfests to a degree sometimes. Either than the fact they both have power these two are nothing a like. He is very quick on his feet, and has a glass jaw.

Peter does have a good chin, look what he took from Wladimir Klitschko and Vitalit Klitschko(both big punchers), he wasn't dropped once by either of them. Vitali has what one win not by knockout, and Wladimir has a roughly 90% stoppage rate. He's only moves forward, has quick hands, and is an alright boxer if you are standing right there.

I am just saying if Haye falls in love with his power the way Sam Peter did then he's doomed.

Sure NOW Haye is known as an athletic counter puncher who occasionally throws a wild power punch but he could easily be drawn into throwing nothing but wild power punches