Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
The Ring Magazine has a list of the 10 greatest professional Cubans, here it is:
1. Kid Gavilan (108-30-5, 28 KOs; 1943-58): Known best for “bolo” punch but beat slew of Hall of Famers.
2. Kid Chocolate (136-10-6, 51 KOs; 1927-38): The first great Cuban champion had it all.
3. Luis Rodriguez (107-13, 49 KOs; 1956-72): The master boxer gave Emile Griffith all he could handle in four fights.
4. Jose Napoles (79-7, 55 KOs; 1958-75): One of the most-dominating and complete fighters of the ‘60s.
5. Sugar Ramos (55-7-4, 40 KOs; 1957-72): Two-time featherweight champion could box and punch.
6. Florentino Fernandez (50-16-1, 43 KOs; 1956-72): Biggest punching Cuban of all-time.
7. Joel Casamayor (36-4-1, 22 KOs; 1996-present): Quietly, but capably built what could be Hall of Famer career.
8. Jose Legra (134-12-4, 49 KOs; 1960-75: Two-time featherweight champion built record primarily in Spain.
9. Benny Paret (35-12-3, 10 KOs; 1954-62): Beat Emile Griffith to win welterweight title but died in third of three meetings with Griffith.
10. Kid Tunero (97-32-16, 37 KOs; 1929-48): Beat such big-name fighters as Ezzard Charles, Ken Overlin and Holman Williams.
I was thinking who would your top ten be from BOTH professional & amateur ranks?
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
My own list is
1. Teofilo Stevenson
2. Kid Gavilan
3. Luis Rodriguez
4. Mario Kindelan
5. Kid Chocolate
6. Felix Savon
7. Jose Napoles
8. Joel Casamayor
9. Ariel Hernandez
10. Sugar Ramos
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
There is no freaking way Stevenson is better than Gavilan!!!! At least Kid fought in the PROS!!!!
I agree with the first list....but Savon and Stevenson belong on the list.
People think Savon and Stevenson would be great pros just because they were great amateurs but hell Jorge Luis Gonzales was 6'7 and an awesome amateur fighter, he beat Riddick Bowe AND Lennox Lewis in the amateurs and then went on to be a pro and went 31 (27 KO)- 8 and 7 losses by KO, some of his good losses came at the hands of the all-time greats Cliff Couser, Derek Bryant, Michael Grant, and Ross Purrity.
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lyle
There is no freaking way Stevenson is better than Gavilan!!!! At least Kid fought in the PROS!!!!
I agree with the first list....but Savon and Stevenson belong on the list.
People think Savon and Stevenson would be great pros just because they were great amateurs but hell Jorge Luis Gonzales was 6'7 and an awesome amateur fighter, he beat Riddick Bowe AND Lennox Lewis in the amateurs and then went on to be a pro and went 31 (27 KO)- 8 and 7 losses by KO, some of his good losses came at the hands of the all-time greats Cliff Couser, Derek Bryant, Michael Grant, and Ross Purrity.
I've seen more of Stevenson than Gavilan, and from what I saw I thought he was marginally better, although obviously its quite subjective because of the difference in amateur & professional class. Also I think the amateurs I have included were guys who would have been very successful professionals
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
Jose Napoles
Good call
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
My 600th and last post for a while:
Many writers claim they watched Monday and Friday night fights "with their dads," but if they did, they better be my age. I recently noted one renowned writer as claiming he grew up watching Friday Night Fights. That's baloney. He wasn't even born.
Back in 1949, we had a pitifully tiny TV set on which my Dad and I (and some of my friends) would watch different programs, but the one that we enjoyed the most were the fights. They were televised from New York or Chicago and names like Madison Square Gardens, St Nicholas Arena or Marigold Gardens were commonplace. Some programs aired boxing matches on Monday. By far the most popular was "Gillette's Cavalcade of Sports," spotlighting the "Friday Night Fights" from Madison Square Garden.. The Cavalcade lasted until 1960, a 14-year period which was the longest continuous run of any boxing program in television history. The show's theme song was the "Look Sharp/Be Sharp March by Mahlon Merrick and we would always chime in with Sharpie the Parrot who would squawk, "Look sharp! Feel sharp! Be Sharp! With Gillette razor blades before the fights were telecast. The bell would sound and Jimmy Powers at ringside would announce, "Friday night fights are on the air!"
There was one guy who seemed to be the exemplar for this great period. Oh, he had an alias; namely, "The Cuban Hawk," but everyone knew him as Kid Gavilan. In 1951, Sugar Ray Robinson moved to middleweight and Johnny Bratton captured the welterweight title. He defended against The Kid in 1951 and was defeated The Kid, who was Cuba's loss and America's gain, went on to make seven successful title defenses until losing to Johnny Saxton in one of the worst decisions in boxing history.
The synopsis in The International Boxing Hall of Fame (in which The Kid was inducted in 1990) states, in part: "Gavilan is the man credited with inventing the bolo punch. He said the punch, which was half hook and half uppercut, was developed by years spent cutting sugar cane with a machete in his native Cuba." While not a fight ender, it produced ooohs and aaahs and impressed judges throughout the world.
He had a record of 107 wins, 30 losses and 6 draws, with one no contest and 27 wins by knockout in a career that spanned 143 professional fights. But the thing that stands out is that The Kid was one of the few high profile boxers in history who was never stopped. Yes, in 143 professional fights, he never lost by stoppage. He also possessed great stamina.
Two of his more notable wins came against college graduate Chuck Davey, 37-0-2 at the time and the darling of the white collar set. Gavilan proceeded to destroy Chuck decking him 4 times before the televised slaughter was stopped. He would later beat Davey's point counterpoint Chico Vejar, who was a big blue collar favorite back in the 50's.
If you throw a dart at the list of his opponents, you would come up with such names as ultra rugged Eduardo "Zerdo" Lausse, Garth The Toy Bulldog" Panter,Rocky Castellani, Tony Janiro, Frenchman Robert Villemain, and the great Beau Jack.
The Kid fought in 15 different states and D.C. and in 10 different countries. He was an attraction in just about every great venue in the world. These included Madison Square Garden, Convention Hall in Philadelphia, Olympic Auditorium in LA, The Chicago Stadium, The Boston Garden, The War Memorial Auditorium in Syracuse, and Miami Stadium, As well, he fought numerous times in Luna Park in Buenos Aires, Palais des Sports in Paris, Arena Coliseo in Mexico City, and of course the Palacio de los Deportes in Havana.
He was 26-2 when he fought for the first time in the U.S. in November 1946. He would go on to fight until 1958. During that time, he thrilled boxing fans throughout the world with his stylish skills and ability to go the distance.
These days, when I think of Cuban boxing, I think of Felix Savon and Teafilo Stevenson and what could have been. I think of "Kid" Chocolate, "Feo" Rodriguez, 'Sugar" Ramos and Jose "Mantequiila" Napoles. But most of all I think of Kid Gavilan's bolo punch and the flash and daring with which he launched it.
There will be only one "Kid."
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Awesome post holmcall and after much searching I found your old Cavalcade of Sports theme music....I hope it's right, never mind the penguins in it though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOcq0V2kC0
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
I say Guillermo Rigondeaux is the best.
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lyle
Thanks, man. That brought tears to my eyes and I'm not kidding!:appl:
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Ceferino Garcia is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch. Though a Filipino boxer named Macario Flores was alos reported to be using the punch in 1924.
Either way, Garcia and The Kid were the best proponents of it. Sugar Ray Leonard also used it at times.
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
The Cubans are a great and proud boxing nation ........ just because they didn't go pro doesn't mean that the fantastic 'amateurs' they had would not have made it there. Great fighters adapt to different rules (and anyway, comparing someone like Kid Chocolate to Mantequilla Napoles, what with all the changes in glover etc is not far off comparing pro's and ams in terms of how different the sport was)
I thought Stevenson was awesome, and I think he could have competed with Ali at the time.
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
The fighter I mentioned Guillermo Rigondeaux, would make Rafael Marquez, Vazquez, and JML look silly in the ring. It's a shame he was caught defecting, and the government has threatened his family to such an extent he would never risk leaving now. They didn't care that much about Gamboa, Solis, Batherlemey(or whatever his name), or even Erislandy, but They really did about Rigondeaux, because he was on his way to 4 olympic golds had he not tried to defect, he basically never lost, he was of the same athletic quality as Gamboa, but fought more like a Pernell Whitaker with lots of movement. I guarantee he would not have the troubles Gamboa has had in the pros this guy has unbelievable defensive skills, much better timing, and hits harder.
Re: Greatest Cuban Boxers of all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by
holmcall
Ceferino Garcia is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch. Though a Filipino boxer named Macario Flores was alos reported to be using the punch in 1924.
Either way, Garcia and The Kid were the best proponents of it. Sugar Ray Leonard also used it at times.
Nice to add Ceferino Garcia, to the genesis of the bolo punch. I'm sure you'd get a wink and a thumbs up, from the guy in spirit!
As for the Greatest Cuban fighter, personally for me it would be Teofilo Stevenson. The guy had a lethal right cross, or overhand right. It is as terminal as a "lethal injection".
I will credit Stevenson's punches, especially the overhand right, as one with the most "delayed reactionary" KO's results ever IMHO.
I did not see him turn pro tho'. I think at that time for him to do so, he would have to defect and leave Cuba, which did not fit his plans for his perceived greatness!
