Cotto wrote the plan...Shane executed.
Well everyone on here knows I am a huge Margarito fan, this could have been Tony's coming out party, in a sense it was only the wrong this came out.
I had my company book a suite at the Staples center, just so I could witness this grand event first hand. we got there early to watch all the fights. Guerrero looks pretty impressive! 1st round KO. Mat Olevay (Russian fighter) looked really good.
From the opening bell for the main event something was wrong, Tony was not firing shots, he was moving to slow. I wrote it off and said well lets wait till the 6th, thats when he gets started. Although, I also noticed that he was taking big big shots, while he kept on smiling in the early parts of the fight the difference was that he wasnt going forward, he was getting stopped by the shots and was not firing back. Mosley didnt seem to be moving around alot so the chances of him tiring out didnt look too good.
When the end came I was stunned, while I had reserved a prediction on this fight because I knew that it could happen, Mosley is a great fighter with alot of experiance so I knew that could ultimately lead to a decision victory, the manner in which it happened is what left me feeling like crap. I had a feeling that Mosley would be tougher fight than Cotto, Cotto showed everyone what you have to do to beat Margarito and Mosley's experiance let him execute the plan flawlessly.
My disappointment was double when I got home, allegations of cheating. No excuse for Margarito. I can understand why after many years of obscurity he wanted to make sure he got the win against anyone who this happened against, but its still unexcusable. I take back every compliment about his punching power I ever made.
The only thing that I will never take away from Margarito is his heart. While cheating is a dispicable act, it was brought on by a misplaced determination to win, and no amount of plaster, cement, or iron that was placed in his gloves made any difference when it came to the shots he took on the chin by the likes of Cotto, Cintron, and now Mosley.
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Tony did look a bit nervous I even said that to myself when I was watching his enterance. But Shane did something that Margarito didnt like and that was being bullied. When he realized he couldnt hurt Shane it was over for him. Im starting to wonder how his chin would hold up now that its been broken.
Re: Cotto wrote the plan...Shane executed.
I totally disagree, Mosley did some very important things that Cotto did not do.
Cotto spent too much time on the move, Mosley moved some but Cotto wasted a lot of energy by moving as much as he did. Instead Mosley after he got off his shots stayed there and tied up, that conserved energy compared to what Cotto did.
Also Mosley above all was determined to stay off the ropes, totally unlike Cotto. Margo is at his best when he traps you on the ropes.
Plus by not moving as much he was able to physically impose himself more (partly this was just cause he's physically stronger than Cotto and as it turns out Margo too) and gain respect, moving away from Margo constantly just gets his blood moving. He likes that.
Even in prefight interviews you could hear Shane talking about conserving energy, he did that by staying in the pocket and strategically holding instead of throwing punches and then moving, retreating to the ropes like Cotto did which wasted a lot of energy.
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Whether or not you wanna say Margo's chin has been softened up before the Mosley fight is just a speculation, its possible but he was also catching hell all night, I don't care how good your chin is you have to duck every once in a while.
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Credit for a post like that especially considering how big a fan of his you are, a lot of other fans of fighters could take note. I'm a Mosley fan, he was the boxer who I first liked as a kid, & he was fantastic last night, but I was so convinced that the only way for him to beat Margarito was to keep dancing away from him that I spent the first 7 rounds screaming not to trade. I have to say the shots that Margarito took last night, any other guy I would have been wondering how he was staying up, but I was still disbelieving when Margarito went down, I was in shock for about an hour after the fight. I still think Margarito has enough to beat Cotto purely because he's done it once before & that will bolster him, although I fear both are now done at the top level after having their own fight beat them respectively. I'm still not completely convinced about the hand-wrap issue, purely because of how both he & Mosley were with each other both during & after the fight. I'm hoping it turns out to be false. Fantastic fight nevertheless
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
I totally disagree, Mosley did some very important things that Cotto did not do.
Cotto spent too much time on the move, Mosley moved some but Cotto wasted a lot of energy by moving as much as he did. Instead Mosley after he got off his shots stayed there and tied up, that conserved energy compared to what Cotto did.
Also Mosley above all was determined to stay off the ropes, totally unlike Cotto. Margo is at his best when he traps you on the ropes.
Plus by not moving as much he was able to physically impose himself more (partly this was just cause he's physically stronger than Cotto and as it turns out Margo too) and gain respect, moving away from Margo constantly just gets his blood moving. He likes that.
Even in prefight interviews you could hear Shane talking about conserving energy, he did that by staying in the pocket and strategically holding instead of throwing punches and then moving, retreating to the ropes like Cotto did which wasted a lot of energy.
i creidt alot to cotto here, because he did showed people either what to or more importantly, what not to do.
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disagree mosely actually used his jab and tied him up
also margorito threw not as many punches as usual even the rounds he lost to cotto he had like a 100 punches margorito just looked confused the whole night
mosely just had the better gameplan
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SaltyBacon
disagree mosely actually used his jab and tied him up
also margorito threw not as many punches as usual even the rounds he lost to cotto he had like a 100 punches margorito just looked confused the whole night
mosely just had the better gameplan
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Of course he was nervous and confused, they took the bricks out of his gloves and got EXPOSED. I could have beat Margarito last night. Time to make a highlight reel of Tony getting knocked the phuk out ;D BTW, when shane learned about the loaded gloves, he knew this would be a totally different fight, shane had prepared himself to face a monster puncher but the monster was removed from the gloves. Shane could have done what ever he wanted in this fight and still won but Shane did an amazing job and just teed off on Margacheato all night long. Shane went into this fight thinking Tony had pop and pep but we later found out it was just plaster of paris.
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Re: Cotto wrote the plan...Shane executed.
Mosley had to study all mistakes that Cotto did in his fight with Margarito and made all the corrections. Mosley did not allow Margarito to push him back constantly as Cotto did. When punching Mosley was solid on his feet and could transfer the weight of his body to the punches with a lot of speed, and punched Margarito's face and body, making a lot more damage than Cotto. Mosley did not allow Margarito's upper to make damage while Cotto received a lot of them one after the other on his face. Mosley was brilliant...
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Tony even said himself after the fight that Shane had time to study him....Smart strategy on his camps behalf executed to perfection by Shane
Re: Cotto wrote the plan...Shane executed.
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
I totally disagree, Mosley did some very important things that Cotto did not do.
Cotto spent too much time on the move, Mosley moved some but Cotto wasted a lot of energy by moving as much as he did. Instead Mosley after he got off his shots stayed there and tied up, that conserved energy compared to what Cotto did.
Also Mosley above all was determined to stay off the ropes, totally unlike Cotto. Margo is at his best when he traps you on the ropes.
Plus by not moving as much he was able to physically impose himself more (partly this was just cause he's physically stronger than Cotto and as it turns out Margo too) and gain respect, moving away from Margo constantly just gets his blood moving. He likes that.
Even in prefight interviews you could hear Shane talking about conserving energy, he did that by staying in the pocket and strategically holding instead of throwing punches and then moving, retreating to the ropes like Cotto did which wasted a lot of energy.
Great post and explanation. If anything, Cotto showed fighters what not to do against Margarito. Cotto has never really learned how to clinch and conserve energy. Fighters like Hopkins, Mayweather, do it all the time. Score your points, then tie up/crowd to frustrate your opponent and conserve energy at the same time. It creates a frustrating fight to watch at times but it's a good strategy to use. Cotto IMO tried to win the fight using his game only and didn't try to adapt to Tony's style. It was almost like he wanted to win a war with Tony and while you have to respect him for that, it wasn't a good plan. Cotto came into the fight with a fundamentally flawed gameplan and you could tell from Round 2 in that fight that Cotto was winning the fight but was gonna have serious problems eventually dealing with the pressure.
Also SSM, simply did not give up on body work like Cotto did. Cotto said that he couldn't hit Tony's body but SSM found a way to get in there. Whether sticking that jab on Tony's stomach or landing hard hooks to the body, SSM didn't stop going to the body even at the end.
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The fight was a lot like Hopkins-Pavlik. I think Shane was inspired by B-hops performance so he had full confidence in Richardson which made him comfortable with sticking to, and executing his gameplan. Everything just clicked for him. Cotto fought Margaritos fight. Shane fought Shanes fight.
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
Well everyone on here knows I am a huge Margarito fan, this could have been Tony's coming out party, in a sense it was only the wrong this came out.
I had my company book a suite at the Staples center, just so I could witness this grand event first hand. we got there early to watch all the fights. Guerrero looks pretty impressive! 1st round KO. Mat Olevay (Russian fighter) looked really good.
From the opening bell for the main event something was wrong, Tony was not firing shots, he was moving to slow. I wrote it off and said well lets wait till the 6th, thats when he gets started. Although, I also noticed that he was taking big big shots, while he kept on smiling in the early parts of the fight the difference was that he wasnt going forward, he was getting stopped by the shots and was not firing back. Mosley didnt seem to be moving around alot so the chances of him tiring out didnt look too good.
When the end came I was stunned, while I had reserved a prediction on this fight because I knew that it could happen, Mosley is a great fighter with alot of experiance so I knew that could ultimately lead to a decision victory, the manner in which it happened is what left me feeling like crap. I had a feeling that Mosley would be tougher fight than Cotto, Cotto showed everyone what you have to do to beat Margarito and Mosley's experiance let him execute the plan flawlessly.
My disappointment was double when I got home, allegations of cheating. No excuse for Margarito. I can understand why after many years of obscurity he wanted to make sure he got the win against anyone who this happened against, but its still unexcusable. I take back every compliment about his punching power I ever made.
The only thing that I will never take away from Margarito is his heart. While cheating is a dispicable act, it was brought on by a misplaced determination to win, and no amount of plaster, cement, or iron that was placed in his gloves made any difference when it came to the shots he took on the chin by the likes of Cotto, Cintron, and now Mosley.
i completely disagree, the way cotto and mosley fought tony are very different. Cotto back up and tried to stay away but mosley bullied the bull.
None credit goes to cotto at all this is all shane mosley. cotto's punches didn't hurt tony but shanes punches completely took him a apart.
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
I totally disagree, Mosley did some very important things that Cotto did not do.
Ya, I agree with you. Cotto didn't write the plan on how to beat Margarito, he showed everyone how NOT to fight Margarito.
Watching the fight, the 2 things you could see right away was that Mosley was committed to the body (unlike Cotto), and Mosley was focused on clinching instead of moving side-to-side.
Not the interesting thing will be... if Cotto-Margarito II still happens, will Cotto implement the things Mosley did...
