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I just picked up a copy of Boxing Monthly and David Haye is ranked 4th in the world at Heavyweight
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Haye
5. Valuev
6. Ibragimov
7. Peter
8. Provetkin
9. Ruiz
10. JC Gomez
How can you have 2 fights and be ranked 4th I think he has done a good job getting his name about and getting the fight with Wlad, but no way can he be ranked this high after a fight with Barret
What do you think?
I think he gets a lot of credit being the unified cruiserweight champ, but its to make him look like a more viable opponent on paper for Klitschko... I am surprised that Don King isn't his promoter, King always had a way of fixing those rankings with all his connections.
Boxing Monthly's a good magazine but maybe favor Haye because he's Brittish, personally I don't think he's a top 10 heavy yet but he is by far the most exciting heavy out there, if the Wlad fight doesn't come off and he beats a top guy instead then I'd have him in there.
They're a good magazine, I'm subscribed to them.
They sometimes let their hearts rule their heads though, They'll have him up that high because of potential, not achievement at the weight.
Im betting Monte Barret never imagined he carried so much clout:-XThey seem to take his Cruiser accomplishments into full consideration.
A unified champ moving up would be considered top ten in every other division. Take into account that the Heavyweight division is so woeful and I think he deserves that ranking. I think people look at the rating of a Heavyweight fighter as if it was 20 years ago.
That's for sure:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Thats a really good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Thanks bud. I understand alot of the hate towards Haye. He's a cocky guy who thinks alot about his image and has engineered his shot well. But the guy doesn't duck anyone. 4th might be a lil steep in the rankings, but he's inside the top 10 no doubt for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThats a really good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
He is ranked 4th. I understand 10th. But let me ask this (and I don't know the answer): was Evander Holyfield ranked in the top ten when he moved up to heavyweight as a unified cruiserweight champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThats a really good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Key word there is Crusierweight!!!!!...Sure we see how guys from lower divisions get thrsut into title bouts in higer weight classes because of the former title status but to actually rank them :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Almost freaking blasphemy
Has nothing to do with that....Basically it says F*** YOU to the guys who fight through the ranks to earn their spotQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThanks bud. I understand alot of the hate towards Haye. He's a cocky guy who thinks alot about his image and has engineered his shot well. But the guy doesn't duck anyone. 4th might be a lil steep in the rankings, but he's inside the top 10 no doubt for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThats a really good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Imagine if you are the 5th ranked guy in the division and have been at it fighting everyone willing to fight and have been improving each time out training hard and paying your dues...all of a sudden you are under a guy who just stopped in from somewhere else
I don't know where he was ranked bud, it was a much stronger division back then though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHe is ranked 4th. I understand 10th. But let me ask this (and I don't know the answer): was Evander Holyfield ranked in the top ten when he moved up to heavyweight as a unified cruiserweight champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelThats a really good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I think it's a crime that he's rated over Peter, who's been fighting at HW from the beginning. But it's hard to argue for anyone else who's below Haye. It just emphasizes the sorry state of the HW division.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI don't know where he was ranked bud, it was a much stronger division back then though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHe is ranked 4th. I understand 10th. But let me ask this (and I don't know the answer): was Evander Holyfield ranked in the top ten when he moved up to heavyweight as a unified cruiserweight champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
How strong was the cruiserweight division when Haye was unified champ?
Again, I understand Haye ranked around 10th. But 4th means he is ranked above established heavyweights like Peters, Ibragimov, Valuev, and Povetkin?