He had a record of 40-26. It seems deceptive to me, considering he beat Mancini twice. I have never seen him fight. Can anyone explain him concisely?
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He had a record of 40-26. It seems deceptive to me, considering he beat Mancini twice. I have never seen him fight. Can anyone explain him concisely?
I've watched the 2 Mancini/bramble fights a few times. His style was taylor-made for Mancini. Livingstone was a sharpshooter, a physical specimen, could take a big punch, and he had great stamina. Mancini brought out the best in him. The only areas where he lacked was his heart and KO ability. Also, notice he was only stopped 5 times in 26 loses.
IMO he would not be able to back up many fighters with his countering style. Laser punches, that had little thud on them and he moved well at the waste and covered up a lot. His long periods of inactivity in rounds should have cost him more in the second fight, as I do not usually believe defense merits winning rounds. The man who does all the work and comes forward wins the round for me.
Punch track would be interesting to see in those fights with Mancini. Probably something like:
Mancini ~250/1200
Bramble ~250/600
One of the biggest displays of heart in the second fight... round 14... cuts over and under both eyes... Mancini says to the ring doc "c'mon let me continue, let me finish, please, please, please!!" Gives me chills thinking about it.
Bramble was an unknown force, who upset Mancini and for a two year period became a darling of the boxing media.
A charismatic character with an interesting story he was on the verge of becoming a superstar, when he had the misfortune of running into El Chapo's (Edwin Rosario [rip]) very heavy fists.
Bramble never did get over that defeat and within a few years was a name journeyman, that prospects wanted on their record.
I remember Bramble turning back the clock somewhat in 1991 and giving Kronk's new can't miss star, Oba Carr, ten rounds of trouble. And despite flooring Carr twice, Bramble was on the wrong end of the spilt decision.
By the mid 90s, Bramble was completely gone, and I find it a little sad that he still managed to lose five fights in the 21st century.
His 40-26-3 record does him little justice, he could of easily of been talked about on par with a Hector Camacho (senior), which is ironic as both had future super-stardom taken away from them by Rosario......
Watched his fights on ESPN, he could switch hit and was at his best against Mancini. He was incredible in those fights and almost unbeatable.
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Originally Posted by Britkid
Ahhh yes... "Chapo's" finest hour indeed.
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I haven't seen many of his fights i see him get blown away by the very hard hitting Edwin Rosario, and i see him beat the crap out of Ray Mancini in the later rounds of there first fight. I did notice in that fight that he switched Southpaw very effectively, one of the few fighters i've seen fight that successfully switching up.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I sat here last night and typed about a fooking page,needed to wait for an off day from work;D.Hit submit and POOF,I was timed out/logged off :furious2:.Well,It was not 'concise' by any means.
Bramble is one of my Favorites.More than just the mystique and persona really.The Man could fight and was much more than a one hit wonder.Alot of the pundits,announcers and media talking heads played up his theatrics,the Rastafarian roots,the "witch doctors",his use of the Ganja.Casted him as the black sheep and frankly he ate it up at times.He had a very tight defense inside,solid counter puncher and had a knack for switching it up on a dime,lefty to righty.Always came across like a class guy,respectful and well put together in interviews.Been re watching alot of his older stuff over the last two nights.The Mancini wars,Mancini boxed so well early but by the end of that first fight,it looked as if he had implemented a high powered ceiling fan for his A.M shave.Ray never stopped trying,all heart but man, Bramble just tore into him.The rematch was much closer but in a war of attrition,he suffered welts and cut.Brambles pressure was ever present.With that win he had proven it was no fluke and was on top of the world.
He was set to meet #1 ranked slickster Tyrone Crawley but sat on the sidelines with the fight canceled twice over a year.It finally came off and was another case of Bramble sizing up the rangy Butterfly and methodically chopping him down.Head/body...body/head.Bramble dropped him in the 2nd but Crawley would get on his bicycle and looking to counter punch.Bramble trapped him in the 13th round and poured it on with Crawley looking like drunken man wearing roller skates.A hard shot sent him stumbling down hurt and amazingly a very aloof ref let it go on,Bramble lands a right and Crawley is sent head first into the canvas,rolling onto his back and DONE.Bramble was so jubilant talking to Ferdie Pacheco,yelling 'Macho man' when asked who he wanted,his small son in his arms.He even asked his son and little dude even calls out Macho lol.
Camacho and Bramble appeared on the same card next.Camacho was off a iffy call vs Rosaio and now it was Brambles turn to meet Chapo.Camacho beat Boza-Edwards on the card and the first round with Bramble/Rosario was pretty pedestrian.Along comes the fateful 2nd,Chapo steered him to a corner and BOOOM,lands a left hook that shook him to his heels.Rosario rained shots all over Bramble and felled him with a right,Bramble went to his knees and remained there.Many would speculate that he could have beaten the count.Some said he was thumbed in the eye, but we'll never know.It frankly looked legit to me...not the 1st that Rosario has had that effect on.The ceiling had come crashing down on him,no longer a Champion.Afterwords,it was rumored that he had contemplated suicide he was so humiliated and depressed.hitting submit before I loss this haha
cracking post, (shame the first one that was not submitted was better):)