Carl Froch Is Not That Good.
There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.
He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion
Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!
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There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.
He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion
Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!
i disagree, respectively..
While i agree that he did not impress me completely against JT, he definitely has world class power and determination..
I think the main thing is his hype from the Brit's.. It gets to you, and we all saw that Froch is a very beatable opponent.. He has a good chin, but he's very open to power shots all night..
I don't think you can say that Taylor isn't a top class opponent, either. Taylor has power, a laser jab, and his defense has looked VERY good as of recent. His ONLY issue is his stamina in late rounds. Froch defeated a great fighter, in my eyes. As much as i HATE to say this, I think calzaghe takes him out with ease. Froch will get beat up bad if that fight takes place. I feel the same result would take place if he fought Kessler, considering Kessler keeps a safe distance from his opponent throughout the fight and does not take many risks to get hit. I can see Kessler winning a UD or late KO victory against Froch.
With that said Froch could take out any second tier super middle with ease. He's too big and strong, but his defense needs a whole lot of work.
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i kinda agree dat he aint all that but he has tremendous heart
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He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe.
LOL I like the way you worded that, Sir. Good writing skills. Scrambling home... ;D
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denilson200
There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.
He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion
Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!
Why do you demand that he DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when NOBODY has ever destroyed ANY those fighters INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE
And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he REALLY DESTROYED him
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denilson200
There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.
He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion
Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!
Why do you demand that he
DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when
NOBODY has ever destroyed
ANY those fighters
INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE
And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik
DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he
REALLY DESTROYED him
How is it fair to say that it's unfair to suggest that Froch needs to Destroy those fighters because no one has Destoryed them, and then say that he Really Destroyed a fighter that has already had the same thing happen to him against another fighter? Give me a break.
I think that what was learned about Froch in the first 2/3 of that fight were much more valuable than the 12th round.. we knew he had the power to do what he did.
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I Like Froch But He Wouldnt Have A Chance Aginst Joe. I Would Love To See Him And Kessler Fight It Would Be A Good Fight For Both Of Them . I Think Kessler Would Win I Think He Could Unite All The Belts.
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I'm not sure anyone thinks that Carl Froch looked technically amazing the other night, no matter who's side you're on. But in my opinion what he lacks in technique he certainly makes up for in determination and heart, and that can take you a long way.
But I agree, with his left arm down like that it irritates the crap out of me and I hope he starts to adjust that before his next fight. Not that it stopped him from losing the other night, or his other 24, but easily could have.
Wait til' after his next fight to see how he really performs on the world stage. He could get battered from rope to rope or he could just cause another upset.
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denilson200
There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.
He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion
Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!
Why do you demand that he
DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when
NOBODY has ever destroyed
ANY those fighters
INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE
And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik
DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he
REALLY DESTROYED him
How is it fair to say that it's unfair to suggest that Froch needs to
Destroy those fighters because no one has
Destoryed them, and then say that he
Really Destroyed a fighter that has already had the same thing happen to him against another fighter? Give me a break.
I think that what was learned about Froch in the first 2/3 of that fight were much more valuable than the 12th round.. we knew he had the power to do what he did.
I don't even understand that sentence RP?
So are you saying that Froch DOES need to completely destroy Kessler, Hopkins or Pavlik in order to merit a fight with Joe?
Are you saying that he DIDN'T destroy Jermain Taylor?
And I never claimed that nobody had destroyed Jermain Taylor before, I was referring to Pavlik, Hopkins, Wright and Kessler. If you disagree then when were they destroyed?
What is your point exactly?
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I think if your capable of goin 12 rounds with Taylor win any rounds at all, get up from 1 of his better shots and knock him out you are desereved to be amongst the divisions top men.
But heart and chin aside if what we saw at that he has to offer at this level i see him as the weakest of the bunch and if anybody fancys clearin up the division is surely aint guna be him.
I think the level of ability Taylor has was a suprise to him its a big step from what hes fought to the big time and he only just stretched to it.
Hes got a decent jab and could use it more and work behind it, he also has 2 hands he could put near his face now and again while under attack instead of tryin to duck and slip everything. Basics really.
But at 31 and havin fought his way and winning so many fights im not sure he can raise his game any more than that, especially seein as he couldnt do it against Taylor when his trainer was beggin him to and he really needed to. I feel if hes guna accomplish more things like that hes guna have to do it with the chin and heart.
However i do think Taylor is the fastest of the top boys and Froch suited him maybe he will cope better against the others.
I know im goin on a bit.
Calzaghe!!!!! I dont wana here it Carl. I dont think hed stand a chance unless Joe has faded big time since retirement and Kessler is the main man in this division as far as im concerned and hed deal with anybody, especially Froch.
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I think it was a very disappointed performance from Froch in all honesty, he should have wiped the floor with Taylor....
Since his defeats to Pavlik Taylor certainly hasn't had the same thirst for the sport. He also has had a very limited career at super middleweight beating a shell of a man in Jeff Lacy.
Froch should have been too big, too strong and too hungry to let Taylor dominant in the way he did. As long as Froch carries his hands so low he will never beat quality operators at 168lbs, Kessler would absolutely destroy him, as would Bute. His defence is probably the worst I've seen a world champion have in quite a while- he constantly leaves himself open to right hands, Taylor had him hurt at least 3 times throughout the fight and a man more naturally disposed to the super middle weight division would have finished him around the 7th round.
If Froch is to realise his dream of being a trully great champion he needs to keep his hands up- especially the left, and tuck his chin in, he also needs to stop trying to make a name for himself off Calzaghe's back, its pathetic.
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Not so good technically I agree but he has many other tools
Heart
Good power
Good stamina
Good chin
Determination
These have all worked pretty well for him so far. I bet there are a LOT of better skilled fighters that cannot match Froch on many of those strengths, does that make Froch the better fighter? Or is the guy with better skills the better fighter?
I had him way behind on the cards, does not matter though, Froch had better stamina than Taylor and Taylor could not continue to fight his fight and Froch knocked him out. End of.
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I think if your capable of goin 12 rounds with Taylor win any rounds at all, get up from 1 of his better shots and knock him out you are desereved to be amongst the divisions top men.
But heart and chin aside if what we saw at that he has to offer at this level i see him as the weakest of the bunch and if anybody fancys clearin up the division is surely aint guna be him.
I think the level of ability Taylor has was a suprise to him its a big step from what hes fought to the big time and he only just stretched to it.
Hes got a decent jab and could use it more and work behind it, he also has 2 hands he could put near his face now and again while under attack instead of tryin to duck and slip everything. Basics really.
But at 31 and havin fought his way and winning so many fights im not sure he can raise his game any more than that, especially seein as he couldnt do it against Taylor when his trainer was beggin him to and he really needed to. I feel if hes guna accomplish more things like that hes guna have to do it with the chin and heart.
However i do think Taylor is the fastest of the top boys and Froch suited him maybe he will cope better against the others.
I know im goin on a bit.
Calzaghe!!!!! I dont wana here it Carl. I dont think hed stand a chance unless Joe has faded big time since retirement and Kessler is the main man in this division as far as im concerned and hed deal with anybody, especially Froch.
Well out of interest what does Andrade offer aside from heart, power and chin?
And none of the top fighters in the 168 lb division have beaten a top quality boxer like Jermain Taylor, in fact Kessler is the only fighter there who has fought someone as good as Taylor in Joe Calzaghe and he lost.
Bute, Andrade, Green, Mundine, Miranda, none of them have beaten an opponent of the calibre of Jermain Taylor or even fought one.
Taylor is faster and slicker than all of that lot and obviously his speed and technique and boxing ability gave Carl problems early becuase it was a massive step up in class for him.
But there is nobody else at 168 who has the pure boxing ability and speed of Jermain Taylor so I can't see Froch getting outboxed like that again.
In my opinion he walks through Lucian Bute, he completely outboxes Andrade, and takes Miranda apart inside the distance.
The two already at the top that will give him the most problems are Kessler (clearly the divisions best and Mundine because of his awkward style)
We don't yet know how good Ward and Dirrell may be so I'm not mentioning them yet.
But I don't get why just because Froch was outboxed for 5 rounds by the best boxer in the weight class before coming back to ko him, you guys think he'll be outboxed by everybody else.
If Taylor's boxing ability wasn't too much for Froch to handle then none of the others will be either.
In my mind he's clearly number 2 behind Mikkell Kessler, and he has the best name on his resume.
Bute almost got ktfo by Andrade and trust me, if Andrade and Froch ever get in the ring, you'll see Andrade isn't on Froch's level.
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I've said this in another post and don't mean to repeat myself but i think Froch could polish up nicely to something special but he needs a new trainer who can help with his defence. Maybe its too late for that now, old dogs new tricks and all that, but if he doesn't give it a try i say he'll end up gettin knocked out clean sooner rather than later now he has stepped up the level of opposition.
I think the last time i saw somethin so flamboyant in style as to not have any defence was Naseem Hamed and we all know what happened there. Love watchin Froch and think he has serious power but i think he struggles against Kessler who is the man at 168.
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Kel- I would agree with you, but I think the technical errors that Froch makes ar ehuge ones- and fairly simple ones to correct, by holding his hands so low he's inviting himself to be punched all night- bigger hitters at 168 will take the oppertunity and finish him- full credit to the manner in which he won- can't knock him at all- but I just don't see him doing it against a Kessler or Bute.
It's so frustrating watching him making sloppy mistakes- confidence is a great thing but his so arrogant in leaving his left hand so low- and unwilling to listen to his trainer who kept telling him to pick it up- he nearly lost the fight.
His attitude and physical attributes are fantastic but he needs to improve technically to be atrully world class fighter. His constant talk of calzaghe winds me up no end. He should do his talking in the ring- not try to make a name from himself by slating a trully great champion
