I'm rootin for Hatton but I don't know if he should be ranked P4P best for beating a smaller man than him. Oscar fight aside.
I kinda think he should though.
What do you think?
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I'm rootin for Hatton but I don't know if he should be ranked P4P best for beating a smaller man than him. Oscar fight aside.
I kinda think he should though.
What do you think?
No. If Hatton beats Pac, then JMM is #1 p4p by default. JMM will be campaigning at 140 division pretty soon. And Hatton will gonna have to beat him too in order to get the #1 p4p status.
He moves up 2 or 3 places in the P4P list.
Depending on how he beats Pac he *might* crack the top 5. No way does he deserve to be #1.
No and No....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Hatton beats Pacquiao and it just proves he is undefeated at 140... so you can crown him king at 140. Hatton will have bragging rights that he beat the #1 P4P ranked fighter, but that's it!
Marquez should have to earn the P4P #1. It not be a given.... IMO, Marquez would still has to beat Pacquaio or Hatton to take over the P4P slot.
I really doubt he will become number 1 but he could get close to it if he blows Manny away by KO, definitely top 5.
If he beats Manny on decision I would put him up to number 6. He'd have to beat him convicingly to get in a top 5 spot imo. #5 is Mosley and he blew Margarito away to get there.
If he beats Pac and Marquez he gets #1 though, people can say what they want about size but there isnt much in it and if you win against #1 and #2 you deserve it for sure.
Just as interesting is where would Manny go if he loses? Can he still be #1?
you mean the same way that Pacquiao was basically handed the P4P #1 spot just for beating David Diaz since Mayweather had retired :-\, IMO Marquez has enough credentials to argue to be #1 right now, a Pacquiao loss would only solidify that claimQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyNo and No....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Hatton beats Pacquiao and it just proves he is undefeated at 140... so you can crown him king at 140. Hatton will have bragging rights that he beat the #1 P4P ranked fighter, but that's it!
Marquez should have to earn the P4P #1. It not be a given.... IMO, Marquez would still has to beat Pacquaio or Hatton to take over the P4P slot.
I agree with most of you guys, I think that would put Ricky up a few notches, but no way should he become the #1 p4p for beating Manny.
If Pac loses, I think the P4P crown goes to JMM. I know he lost to Manny, but I think with the nature of the loss (an EXTREMELY close, controversial decision as opposed to a lopsided decision or a KO) would still allow JMM to step up into the #1 spot, because I think JMM is just inches away from the spot right now. I mean he moves up in weight and gets KO wins over two top 3 LWs. The guy is just a machine.
my thoughts exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Nah.I'm rooting for Hatton to leave Pacquioa in tatters but thats a huge task and an uphill battle all of the way.
JMM has more than earned everything he has,stands firm at #2 p4p and has maintained a top ten ranking over the last 12 + years,in respected divisions.If Hatton pulls it off vs. Manny.....someone has to take the spot,but I dont think it should/will be Hatton.He'll jump up some ticks and undeniably be top dog at 140 but JMM with his nip & tuck controversial battles with Manny.....not to mention his mass skillset assumes #1 slot p4p.This is why p4p ranking are really murky.
Pacquiao was #2 when Mayweather retired. Therefore he became a #1 by default. And then he cemented that position with his victory against JMM, and then he cemented it again with another win against David Diaz, and then he put a big exclamation mark by beating DLH. And that all happened in the same year. 3-0 with 2 world titles in 2 different divs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou mean the same way that Pacquiao was basically handed the P4P #1 spot just for beating David Diaz since Mayweather had retired :-\, IMO Marquez has enough credentials to argue to be #1 right now, a Pacquiao loss would only solidify that claimQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyNo and No....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Hatton beats Pacquiao and it just proves he is undefeated at 140... so you can crown him king at 140. Hatton will have bragging rights that he beat the #1 P4P ranked fighter, but that's it!
Marquez should have to earn the P4P #1. It not be a given.... IMO, Marquez would still has to beat Pacquaio or Hatton to take over the P4P slot.
Pac-JMM was a really close fight and it could have gone the other way. It's really hard to avoid controversy in a razor thin bout. But I trust the judges decisions coz everyone of them viewed/judged the fight in 3 different angles and came up with Pac victory.
Now about Diaz and DLH. Call any of them paper champ, overhyped, weight drained or whatever. The fact is Pac didn't just beat them... HE BEAT THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF THEM.
JMM will be number 1 if Pac loses. Now where will Floyd be placed in the p4p if he beats Corey impressively?
It wasn't because Pacquiao beat David Diaz that he was p4p #1, he had already beaten Marquez thus was above him, then as soon as Mayweather retired Pacman became p4p king.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou mean the same way that Pacquiao was basically handed the P4P #1 spot just for beating David Diaz since Mayweather had retired :-\, IMO Marquez has enough credentials to argue to be #1 right now, a Pacquiao loss would only solidify that claimQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyNo and No....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Hatton beats Pacquiao and it just proves he is undefeated at 140... so you can crown him king at 140. Hatton will have bragging rights that he beat the #1 P4P ranked fighter, but that's it!
Marquez should have to earn the P4P #1. It not be a given.... IMO, Marquez would still has to beat Pacquaio or Hatton to take over the P4P slot.
Manny was put as #1 as soon as Mayweather retired, and even at that point people were arguing that Calzaghe should be given the position, JMM's last 2 wins have been bigger than Pacquiao's last to wins, and how can anyone seriously argue that Manny should still be #1 if he loses to Hatton?:confused::-\Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt wasn't because Pacquiao beat David Diaz that he was p4p #1, he had already beaten Marquez thus was above him, then as soon as Mayweather retired Pacman became p4p king.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou mean the same way that Pacquiao was basically handed the P4P #1 spot just for beating David Diaz since Mayweather had retired :-\, IMO Marquez has enough credentials to argue to be #1 right now, a Pacquiao loss would only solidify that claimQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
That's not what we are arguing, and how are JMM last two wins bigger? Joel Casamayor was almost KO'ed by Katsidis and barely beat that bum before he gave JMM one hell of a fight before getting stopped, Once again Juan Diaz lost to Nate Campbell, and he was giving Marquez all he could handle for most of their fight and hurt Juan despite having almost no power. No way are those wins bigger than the annihilation of both David Diaz and Oscar Dela Hoya. Say what you want about Dela Hoya but Casamayor was never as good p4p as Oscar and just as washed up if not moreso, Casamayor hasn't looked very good in years, while Pacquiao was the first person to make Oscar look bad.
If Pacquiao loses he definitely loses the throne to JMM who is right behind him. I am just saying right now he undoubtebly deserves it. Also IMO Hopkins-Calzaghe was more in favor of hopkins than Pacman-JMM II was in favor of JMM, and more outsiders saw it that way as well.