Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"

After reading this article I'm convinced that roach knew ODLH was done and he knew making him come down to 147 to fight manny would basically make him look like the zombie he was...

Now as far as making Shane drop five pounds when he hasn't been that small since 1999, is another example of roach knowing that kind of weight loss would do just enough to give Manny the slight edge in terms of conditioning. This to me should be viewed in the same light as Floyd being accused of "cherry picking". But at least floyd went up to 154 to fight oscar which is why oscar looked so much better against floyd. Manny should fight the WW's at 147 or the LWW's at 140....this catch weight shit is ridiculous esp when he soundedly beat a "game" oscar... ;D


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pacman would beat shane at 142 and 147 imo shanes past it now

I might be in the minority, but I will give Pac very little credit (if any) for beating fighters well below their fighting weight. Mosley at 142 would be as much, if not more, of a corpse than ODH was, I feel the same way about Cotto at 140 (even fucking Malignaggi was able to rock him when he was weight drained) or ever 144/145.

Pac is good enough (one of the best ever IMO) to challenge his opponents at their natural weight. He doesn't need to resort to this kind of bullshit.

142 is not realistic for Mosley to reach & still be effective, 145 sure... Is Roach trying to find some way to avoid Mosley?

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142 is not realistic for Mosley to reach & still be effective, 145 sure... Is Roach trying to find some way to avoid Mosley?

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Mosely is a bad match up for Pac, just too much strength when bigger. So I think, yes. I don't blame him for only accepting with a compromise.

142 is bullshit. No way should Mosley agree to that weight.

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142 is not realistic for Mosley to reach & still be effective, 145 sure... Is Roach trying to find some way to avoid Mosley?

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Mosely is a bad match up for Pac, just too much strength when bigger. So I think, yes. I don't blame him for only accepting with a compromise.

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I agree but 142 doesn't seem realistic & would be unwise for Mosley to attemp imo

I'd much rather see Mosley/ Williams anyway, so let Pacquiao take on someone like Bradley while awaiting the winner of Mayweather/ Marquez

This is getting old and everybody has to be catching on to this tactic. Wanting these guys at weights they realistically aren't effective at??? They haven't been there in years. Roach is very crafty but come on man. Mosley would be an easy victim at 142. He barely makes 147 nowadays in his older age. Like one post said, Roach needs to fight welterweights at welterweight or don't talk about it at all. Pac is nice but don't try to play the public and the boxers. Cutting too much weight is the single worst disadvantage in boxing. It is better to fight bigger buys than to come down too much. Especially at an advanced age. I did that once and you feel like a hollow body. Flat, no strength, weak legs, light headed, etc. I never said anything to my coaches but for the first time before a bout I wanted no parts of fighting. Its terrible. Roach knows Mosley is all wrong for Pac and 142 is the answer. I'd rather Pac just continue his career with the 140 pounders. Cotto and Mosley wouldn't even be formidable opponents at less than 147. Maybe even worse than DLH at 147.

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This is getting old and everybody has to be catching on to this tactic. Wanting these guys at weights they realistically aren't effective at??? They haven't been there in years. Roach is very crafty but come on man. Mosley would be an easy victim at 142. He barely makes 147 nowadays in his older age. Like one post said, Roach needs to fight welterweights at welterweight or don't talk about it at all. Pac is nice but don't try to play the public and the boxers. Cutting too much weight is the single worst disadvantage in boxing. It is better to fight bigger buys than to come down too much. Especially at an advanced age. I did that once and you feel like a hollow body. Flat, no strength, weak legs, light headed, etc. I never said anything to my coaches but for the first time before a bout I wanted no parts of fighting. Its terrible. Roach knows Mosley is all wrong for Pac and 142 is the answer. I'd rather Pac just continue his career with the 140 pounders. Cotto and Mosley wouldn't even be formidable opponents at less than 147. Maybe even worse than DLH at 147.

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100% agreed...i wouldn't give manny any credit for beating a weight drained 38 year old mosley..and give mosley all the credit if he beat pacman...roach knows he can fool the public with that "it's only five pounds", bullshit. Hell i think floyd would be ineffective at 142 and he's only been at 147 a few years.

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honestly if Roach really said this BS i think it's completely moronic, Manny wants to play the angle of being the only 7 weight champion by winning a welterweight strap, well he'd have to do it at 147, and if Shane's the one with the status of champ at that weight, well Manny has to meet Mosley's terms not vice versa

I saw the video of Roach saying this too, Shane should never fight below 147 for anyone it would seriously do him no good at all. I'd give Pac a lot of credit for fighting any natural 147 guy but not at silly catch weights.

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

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You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

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than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

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You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

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I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say in the bolded sentence.

However, to address your other point: weight-advantages have always been a part of boxing, obviously. However, there is a huge difference between fighting smaller fighters at a higher weight-class (ie. Hatton - Lazcano) and fighting a weight-drained opponent. Your post seems to demonstrate that you don't understand how much being weight-drained affects a fighter, it has a much greater impact than that of a fighter competing well above his natural weight, though both are detrimental. If Pac is fighting guys (particularly older opponents) at a weight in which they haven't been able to fight for years, it very much detracts from the victory as it would be contested in a vastly uneven way. If Pac fights and beats (or even looks good in losing) fighters like Cotto and Mosley, I'll give him a ton of credit. However, if he forces them to meet at a completely unfair catchweight, then in my mind it negates much of the glory associated with the victory.