Is Hatton now a club fighter?

He tried his best. Compare a Hatton future at 35 and how he would fare against 35 year old Tszyu. Owned!

Heres the list, at least he had a great win one time. I suppose he has to fight back from that glorified club fighter tag and do something, or else people will think he had a fantastically lucky night. No, I've never excepted the result of fighting Two Guys, Paris and Hatton to be a fair accurate representation.

TSZYU - Hall of fame fighter, one of the greatest 140 pound fighters all time, near 36 when lost
CASTILLO - Past his best. NEVER did Anything to be called Great. Good fighter, big difference to Tszyu
COLLAZO - Not a great boxer won a belt through circumstance, never seen since, lost title first or second defence.
URANGO - Solid fighter
MALIGNAGGI - A good fighter
MAUSSA - Beat a trashed Harris, doesnt everyone, like Witter. Not a great fighter
LAZCANO - Never a World Champ. A nobody on the alltime list
PHILLIPS - WELL past his best

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Rodriguez:
Pineda:
Bergman
Grove
Ruelas
Hurtado
Gonzalez
Chavez
Mitchell
Judah
Tackie

It's getting boring :rolleyes:

Actually, it's all sour grapes. Hatton is OK. I am still somewhat surprised he beat ANY version of Tszyu, but he did. Anyway, they fought he won. As far as Tszyu's career goes, I think the selection panel at the hall of fame will have no trouble inducting him.

I have found some of the highlights of Pacquiaos victory amusing. I suppose Tszyu was never flogged that bad, but there was another Australian boxer Fenech years ago who was a triplle weight world champ in the rugged brawler mode of Hatton who got done.

It was no joy, but I suppose it's harder for brawlers. Does he have it in him to go on. It will be tough. He'll need ample time to see if he wants to try. Certainly he doesn't need the money, and even these lesser fighters with a belt at 140, he's fighting for a fraction of what he has already made. It's all well for others to say one more time, but you should be careful. One more time assuming he's the old guy, not a changed fighter.

Good luck, commiserations, he had a great victory, much as I didn't like seeing what I thought was a greater fighter lose, he did lose. Hatton has been entertaining enough, and he was the better man when they fought. Does that get Ricky into the hall of fame, who cares I suppose. He gets into his countrymans thoughts, he beat a great fighter. He is rich for his efforts.

I suppose, well done, he has been good to watch

QUOTE: It's getting boring :rolleyes:

True, is infact...Hattons loss to Pacquaio, although I thought he'd lose by way of decision was dramatic. It was humbling, and various funny clips have been made as a result. I would concur, it's now starting to be done to death..

I quit while I am behind, as I don't mind Ricky, though certainly had a good dig. I dont know where he goes from here. Maybe he wants a last fight for pride, maybe he's satisfied he's done enough. We'll see.

Mid thirties Vince Phillips beat the shit out of a 28-year-old Kostya. Where's the old-age excuse there?

Hatton beat the shit out of Kostya forcing him to quit. The fact old Phillips beat the shit out of him too can only mean Tszyu is one of the most OVERRATED fighters of all time NOT the greatest. Fact.

NOPE..........he lost to Philips, period. It was a technical knockout. He looked OK up till midway v Phillips. He just lost that one, for whetever reason. In examining his career, it speaks for itself.

Losing to Hatton, he Quit, no protest o9n his behalf. If that called getting beat to death still on your feet, Hatton was dropped by a much lighter punching guy twice in r0ound 1, and was put out for munuted with the KO.

Same, Tszyu lost to Hatton on the night. Interms of beating the man making you the man, the resumes for both guys will be judged accordingly. Other guys will bring up clips for you. So far one guy will get into the hall of fame. Hatton, does he want to go to the hall of fame, I dont know. He may need to do more, but I am not the judge at Canastota.

I'm finding hard to remember a single person who suggested Tszyu was old before the Hatton fight, it's great to wise after the even ;)

What I remember is nearly everybody saying Tszyu would destroy Hatton and that Tszyu looked at his peak against Mitchell 7 months earlier. I always wonder what happend in those 7 months that suddenly made Tszyu old and shot

He spent his whole career at one weight, so there were not issues with weight draining etc, he was only 35, had only had 31 fights (7 less that Hatton) and he wasn't it wasn't like his fights were wars that would catch up on you. Hopkins hadn't even fought Trinidad buy the time he was 35.

And those names on Tszyu's resume could have exactly the same arguments applied to them as you have applied to Hatton's opposition. Seriously mate, Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell as his best career opponents :o

Who's the lighter punching guy? Pac? Kostya never fought Pac so all you can do is guess the outcome. Pac KO 1 is just as likely as anything.

The facts are..

Kostya was stopped TWICE at 140. Fact.

Hatton beat Tszyu. Fact. Hatton even beat the other guy that beat Tszyu. Fact.

Kostya has NO excuses. Fact.

Kostya is overrated. IMO. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Who's the lighter punching guy? Pac? Kostya never fought Pac so all you can do is guess the outcome. Pac KO 1 is just as likely as anything.

The facts are..

Kostya was stopped TWICE at 140. Fact.

Hatton beat Tszyu. Fact. Hatton even beat the other guy that beat Tszyu. Fact.

Kostya has NO excuses. Fact.

Kostya is overrated. IMO. Fact.

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I agree with that. Although I am basing that on a.) losing to Hatton, b.) losing to Philips and c.) far from great opposition.

I may be doing him an injustice, because he could only beat (sometimes ;)) the man infront of him and had he fought some ATGs who's to say he wouldn't have beaten them - we just don't know.


PS Putting "Fact" and then "IMO" ;D

Hatton has always been a B level fighter.

He was good but never great.

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Hatton has always been a B level fighter.

He was good but never great.

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Agree his was "Good" not "Great" but he certainly wasn't "B Level" B Level fighters do not achieve what Hatton has

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Who's the lighter punching guy? Pac? Kostya never fought Pac so all you can do is guess the outcome. Pac KO 1 is just as likely as anything.

The facts are..

Kostya was stopped TWICE at 140. Fact.

Hatton beat Tszyu. Fact. Hatton even beat the other guy that beat Tszyu. Fact.

Kostya has NO excuses. Fact.

Kostya is overrated. IMO. Fact.

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I agree with that. Although I am basing that on a.) losing to Hatton, b.) losing to Philips and c.) far from great opposition.

I may be doing him an injustice, because he could only beat (sometimes ;)) the man infront of him and had he fought some ATGs who's to say he wouldn't have beaten them - we just don't know.


PS Putting "Fact" and then "IMO" ;D

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It's true though. Kostya's best win is Judah. Yet he is always labeled as GREAT. It doesn't make sense.

I think he's overrated because of his good to watch style and rattail. Fact.

Is this a revision of your previous thread about Pac owning hatton as his bitch and hatton being a candidate as a gay icon........secretly i feel the love you have for Hatton oozing through.:rolleyes:

It's clearly time to get the LOLCOPTER out.

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Posted this before, but for the smart Alec's who were infact the catalysts for these comments originally, I'll post it again.

Alot of guys were fought in between these top opponents, spanning a long long title reign. The overall body of work beating top opponnets is deeper and longer than Hattons. He also fought actively until he was 32-33, so Hatton did fight more guys, but he ceratinly wasnt taking on former world champions in his fourth pro fight, because nobody could match up with him. Should check out some of Tszyus earlier fights, you win notice his considerable speed in comparison to when older, and dynamic buzz saw attack.

Of note, he also beat alot of future world champions as an amateur, most notably Vernon Forrest for the Amateur World Title. The evidence: The guy who actually beat Philips as a Pro to become world champion Millet, gets owned alongside guys like Forrest. YouTube - Kostya Tszyu | Terron Millett I (a) 1/1


Fourth fight as a pro - former world champion, Juan LaPorte

Former world champion, Livingstone Bramble

Former world champion - First Pro World Title, Jake Rodriguez

x2 World Champion Roger Mayweather, first title defence 12th or so Pro fight! (went hard with Whittaker)

Hugo Pineda, Sydney, Australia, TKO 11
6'1 Undefeated at the time, very dangerous. ONCE THESE GUYS ARE BEAT, never the same

Jan Bergman

Calvin Grove, Australia, Former World Champion

Rafael Ruelas, Former World Chmapion

Diobelys Hurtado, Former World Title holder, who was atop draw fighter who gave Whittaker all he could handle, then wore down later in his career

Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Long reigning Lightweight Champion, and Jnr Welterweight champion, One of Mexicos best ever, and was finished as a fighter after Tszyu DESTROYED him, far more easily than a Prime De La Hoya

Destroyed the Great Julio Cesar Chavez

Beat top champion in his prime, Sharmba Mitchell

Massacred future Undisputed Welterweight champion Zab Judah when he was at his most dangerous weight 140. Never quite the same after it

Pitched an absolute shutout, when Ben Tackie was actually good as the no1 challenger. Never the same fighter again

Beat former world champion Leija who had just disposed of the then up and coming Hector Camacho jr.


Signs of slowing down against Leija, THEN 2 YEAR INJURY LAYOFF
Most notable wins, Rodriguez, Ruelas, Hurtado, Gonzalez, Chavez, x2 Mitchell, Judah WHEN THESE GUYS COULD ACTUALLY FIGHT, with the exceptio

DESTROYED Sharmba Mitchell, when rated inside the top 10, being the top active fighter in boxings then current strongest division. Tszyus power covered up the fact he hadn't fought more than 3 rounds in 2 years

35 - Defeated by Ricky Hatton in a fight that didn't go his way.


These are what I would call Kostya Tszyus best wins. His first being in 1995, his last 2002, when he was 32!! He was starting to visibly slow against Leija, and when he fought Hatton at 35, he had fought 3 rounds in two years.

The Roger Mayweather fight is Nowhere near the list. The reason I dumped that in was because a name you may know. Also it was Tszyu First worl titke defence, after only like 12 pro fights or something, and he won ALL 12 rounds.


Tszyus best performances to me.
Rodriguez: Good solid champ Dominated
Pineda: 6'1 Undefeated, never the same afterward
Bergman: Mandatory, wicked KO
Grove: Former world champ mowed down in round 1
Ruelas: One of Mexicos better fighters, got thrashed in 8
Hurtado: Former world titlist, never quite the same afterwards
Gonzalez: Arguably Tszyu best win, destroyed a then great boxer
Chavez: One of the few men to EVER drop Chavez, mandatory no1 def
Mitchell X2: Excellent boxer in prime, top ten p4p when beat again
Judah: Former Undisputed Welterweight champ, at best first time 140
Tackie: Mandatory no1 contender, 12 rd shut out, never the same again.

I would say those are Tszyus best fights. Julio Cesar Chavez was the mandatory no1 challenger, not the garbish man, as much as you dislike the fact.

True Kostya doesnt have a prime hall of fame opponent to his list, but you take Chavez anyway, as they fought, and one of onlt two guys to EVER drop him.

The quality of opponnets goes from year 1995,96, 98,99,2000,2001,2002. It was a significant reign, with other guys fought between these times. I mean if you look up Pineda now, he was shot and going down after that fight, but up until then, a great challenger. That was the case for many of Tszyus opponents, when they lost, never the same. How you rate them, personal prefernce. Tackie was not the same guy fighting Hatton when he fought Tszyu etc.

Since Hatton doesnt like southpaws, how would he go with Mitchell and Judah. We may have a chance to see Judah, past both guys best before they're both done. A great career, and top3 alltime 140 punds, with Pryor, and i'd have Chavez behind them based on actual work at that weight.

TSZYU - Hall of fame fighter, one of the greatest 140 pound fighters all time, near 36 when lost
CASTILLO - Past his best. NEVER did Anything to be called Great. Good fighter, big difference to Tszyu
COLLAZO - Not a great boxer won a belt through circumstance, never seen since, lost title first or second defence.
URANGO - Solid fighter
MALIGNAGGI - A good fighter
MAUSSA - Beat a trashed Harris, doesnt everyone, like Witter. Not a great fighter
LAZCANO - Never a World Champ. A nobody on the alltime list
PHILLIPS - WELL past his best

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Rodriguez:
Pineda:
Bergman
Grove
Ruelas
Hurtado
Gonzalez
Chavez
Mitchell
Judah
Tackie


Kostya has a better resume..He fought better guys, and some opponents in common when they were at their best, not faded. It was a long and distinguished record, and thats why he is a hall of fame fighter. Hatton is a good fighter, and I was surprised how badly he lost to Pacquiao. Top ten p4p on his day. Struggles badly against Southpaws, as evident against Collazo prior to Pacquiao. Still has a chance for a title and a good win before he retires


Have it your way then, Hatton was a Fluke. OR he beat an overated fighter and has never beaten Any top fighter Ricky Hatton demolished! " Bring Me To Life " by evanescence