Can you be an all time great if your best win is against Jeff Lacy?

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Robin Reid owned Jeff Lacy...................before lacy hit him



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I don't know anybody who's best win was against Jeff Lacy, so I can't comment ;D

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don't know anybody who's best win was against Jeff Lacy, so I can't comment ;D

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Well you see the point I was getting at here... ;)

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don't know anybody who's best win was against Jeff Lacy, so I can't comment ;D

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Well you see the point I was getting at here... ;)

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Not really - because my thread was responding to specific comments about Hatton's opposition from somebody who then used Tszyu's opposition (which aint any better) as an argument for him being an ATG.

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips ;)

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

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Here we go again;D


Turning that horse into a bottle of glue:beatdeadhorse:

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips ;)

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many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

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same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

Calzaghe is an all time great, Kostya Tsyzu I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips ;)

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many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

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same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

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Eubank had plenty left, he put on one of his best performances against JC and then stepped up 2 weight divisions and had 2 epic battles with Carl Thompson. I had JC beating Reid and Nard. As for JC not making the effort to get the Jones fight, don't het me started on the fights Jones should've had and didn't!

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips ;)

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many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

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same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

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Eubank had plenty left, he put on one of his best performances against JC and then stepped up 2 weight divisions and had 2 epic battles with Carl Thompson. I had JC beating Reid and Nard. As for JC not making the effort to get the Jones fight, don't het me started on the fights Jones should've had and didn't!

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why is that not a surprise coming from you? and you mean the same Thompson who already had 4 losses when he took on an ancient Eubank? i'd dare say more people will say that Hopkins and Reid won the fights against Calzaghe, and on the Jones thing, who was the bigger name in their primes on an international level? that's right it was the man who was p4p king for most of his career, Jones Jr

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips ;)

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If he beat Hopkins, if Hopkins won, and what happens when you have a hard time landing cleanly on a 40 year old who could still pot shot you at will when you weren't overwhelming him with slaps? I give Calzaghe all the credit in the world for coming up so close with Hopkins(I felt Hopkins won by the knockdown) and beating guys like Kessler and Lacy so onesidedly, but he looked bad against Roy Jones, and I still say those people who gave him 11 rounds were smoking crack.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Calzaghe is an all time great, Kostya Tsyzu I don't think so.

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I dont consider Joe Cal an all time great but he is definitley closer than Kostya.

Ive never really thought about Tsypko in that way.....but now that you mention it...... ;D

ElTerrible, thats a great sigi !